Ranking Web (Webometrics) of Universities

Sat Sep 1 09:26:27 EDT 2012

Quoting Jean-Claude Guédon:

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> Dear Isidro,

Dear JC,

> What I was trying to say is that the French, for one reason or another,
> have moved toward a central repository.

As I said, no problem with that

> There has been some resistance to HAL and your examples illustrate this.

But I am mentioning universities that are all of them accepting HAL, only that some of them give up their own name and several others decided not to renounce to their webdomain ....

> My point is not being for or against HAL; my point is that the presence
> of HAL seems to create an artefactual result that should be corrected.

>From my point of view an "artifact" is signing Poris or Frince, this a deliberate action I am not sure the rectors are really aware of that. A few months ago I met the rector of Polytechnique and she does not know its repository was not under its institutional domain. In fact she was very worried about the biases of WoS and ARWU against their scientific output in social sciences and humanities. Those biases are clearly more close to the definition of "artifact". 

Best regards, 

>
> Best regards,
>
> Jean-Claude Guédon
>
>
>
> Le samedi 01 septembre 2012 à 10:35 +0200, Isidro F. Aguillo a écrit :
>
>> Dear Jean-Claude,
>>
>> I can not say anything about intentions because I do not know the
>> policies involved. But I can talk about facts and these are very
>> simple:
>>
>> - HAL is developing both a central repository and helping in the
>> development of institutional repositories. It is a welcomed initiative
>> as provide both technical expertise and funding support and from a
>> political point of view is reinforcing OA agenda in France.
>>
>> - When referring to the institutional repositories there are
>> universities who claim their "moral rights" to the papers authored by
>> their members and use the institutional web domain of the university
>> like for example:
>>
>> HAL Université Pierre et Marie Curie    http://hal.upmc.fr/
>> HAL Université de Bretagne Occidentale    http://hal.univ-brest.fr/
>>
>> and others (like the ones I cited in previous messages) that not.
>>
>> I am not against HAL, just on the contrary, but remember the serious
>> problems we have in bibliometrics correctly assigning affiliations
>> from signatures in papers. Also consider that many rectors are giving
>> instructions for standardizing they way the affiliations are used. So,
>> why a so important resource is forgotten?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Quoting Jean-Claude Guédon:
>>
>> > Adminstrative info for SIGMETRICS (for example unsubscribe):
>> > http://web.utk.edu/~gwhitney/sigmetrics.html
>> >
>> > But the French choice was to create a central repository for the
>> whole
>> > country. This is what HAL is all about.
>> >
>> > A ranking system should be able to correct for the effects of such a
>> > policy. There was no "surrendering in this case", just a choice to
>> > create a one-stop entry into French OA literature.
>> >
>> > Jean-Claude Guédon
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Le vendredi 31 août 2012 à 11:02 +0200, Isidro F. Aguillo a écrit :
>> >
>> >> Adminstrative info for SIGMETRICS (for example unsubscribe):
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>> >>
>> >> El 31/08/2012 10:31, Clement Levallois escribió:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Adminstrative info for SIGMETRICS (for example unsubscribe):
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>> >> >
>> >> > Interesting!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > In the ranking for Europe, not a single French university in the
>> 100
>> >> > first? Wow.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > (see
>> >> > here:
>> http://www.webometrics.info/en/Ranking_Europe/European_Union)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Best,
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Clement
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --------------------------------------------
>> >> >
>> >> > Clement Levallois, PhD
>> >> > Erasmus University Rotterdam
>> >> > The Netherlands
>> >> >
>> >> > pro website / personal website
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > twitter and skype: @seinecle
>> >> > Discover the NESSHI project: http://www.nesshi.eu
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Dear all:
>> >>
>> >> You can check the Excellence indicator (papers in the 10% top
>> cited)
>> >> that Paris 6 is 28th and Paris XI is 98th so the reasons for the
>> >> delayed ranks are related to the web presence. Language is an
>> >> important issue as English-speaking countries are clearly
>> >> over-represented but it is not the only reason. Perhaps interesting
>> to
>> >> this list is that the commitment to open access is limited. You can
>> >> check the performance of the French university repositories here:
>> >>
>> >> http://repositories.webometrics.info/en/Europe/France
>> >>
>> >> It is very surprising that in some cases they have surrendered
>> their
>> >> own web domains in their "institutional" repositories. A few
>> examples:
>> >>
>> >> École Polytechnique
>> http://hal-polytechnique.archives-ouvertes.fr/
>> >> Université Paris 1 Panthéon Sorbonne
>> >> http://hal-paris1.archives-ouvertes.fr/
>> >> École Mines ParisTech    http://hal-ensmp.archives-ouvertes.fr/
>> >> Université de Nice Sophia Antipolis
>> >> http://hal-unice.archives-ouvertes.fr/
>> >>
>> >> Of course this practice is penalizing their position in the
>> Ranking.
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> ****************************
>> >>
>> >> Isidro F. Aguillo, HonDr.
>> >> The Cybermetrics Lab, CSIC
>> >> Madrid. SPAIN
>> >>
>> >> isidro.aguillo at cchs.csic.es
>> >>
>> >> ****************************
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Isidro F. Aguillo, HonPhD
>> Cybermetrics Lab (3C1). CCHS - CSIC
>> Albasanz, 26-28. 28037 Madrid. Spain
>>
>> isidro.aguillo @ cchs.csic.es
>> www. webometrics.info
>>
>

-- 
Isidro F. Aguillo, HonPhD
Cybermetrics Lab (3C1). CCHS - CSIC
Albasanz, 26-28. 28037 Madrid. Spain

isidro.aguillo @ cchs.csic.es
www. webometrics.info
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