[Sigmet-officers] Debate

Tue Jan 18 13:42:45 EST 2011

This is a good point--we want the debate to be lively and spirited, but not
acerbic.  Can we think of another good pairing for a clean joust?

It was my understanding we would have a webinar this Spring and propose a
panel for the AM (as well as a workshop as a pre-con).

Cassidy

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:07 AM, Judit Bar-Ilan <barilaj at mail.biu.ac.il>wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Having Loet Leydesdorff and Tony Van Raan in a debate is not the best idea.
> There was a rather bitter exchange between them at the Leiden S&T Conference
> this September. It was rather unpleasant for the the conference
> participants.
> Also we should decide whether we are planning a Webinar or a panel for the
> next meeting. The Crown indicator and the new indicator developed in Leiden
> is used for university rankings. This is a highly controversial issue with
> quite a number of rankings being around. We could include this topic in the
> webinar, if you think that discussing indicators is too narrow.
>
> Best regards,
> Judit
>
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:45 PM, <sigmet-officers-request at asis.org> wrote:
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>>   1. Re: Planning the Web-site (Jonathan Levitt)
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>>   3. WebMar deabate (Jonathan Levitt)
>>   4. Re: WebMar deabate (Cassidy Sugimoto)
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>> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 08:07:10 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Planning the Web-site
>> To: sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org
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>> Hi Angela,
>> ?
>> Could you please send this list your draft of the contents of the Web-site
>> within the next few days, so that we can keep to our target of uploading the
>> Web-site by the end of this month?
>> ?
>> Many thanks,
>> Jonathan.
>>
>> --- On Fri, 7/1/11, Cassidy Sugimoto <cassidysugimoto at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> From: Cassidy Sugimoto <cassidysugimoto at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Planning the Web-site
>> To:
>> Cc: sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org
>> Date: Friday, 7 January, 2011, 22:58
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>> This all looks great!? We will also host a copy of the webinar on this
>> website?? Will we post the call for the workshop here as well?
>>
>> Cassidy
>>
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>> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net>
>> wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> ?
>> Thanks Stasa for added Angela to the listserv and for helping her catch
>> up.
>> ?
>> Thanks Angela for your message and attachment.? Your comparison of other
>> SIGs and suggestions for SIG/MET provide a very useful platform from which
>> to plan the Web-site.? I am very happy to be involved with the planning.
>> ?
>> In other to involve others, I present my feedback on Angela?s message in
>> the attached.? As always, anyone on this listserve is very welcome to
>> comment or suggest changes.? I have used track changes, as this format is
>> more accessible to me.
>> ?
>> Best regards,
>> Jonathan.
>>
>> --- On Tue, 21/12/10, Angela Zoss <amzoss at indiana.edu> wrote:
>>
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>> From: Angela Zoss <amzoss at indiana.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Planning the Web-site
>> To: sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org
>> Date: Tuesday, 21 December, 2010, 5:02
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Sorry I've missed some of these messages!? Stasa realized I hadn't been
>> added to the listserv and has helped me catch up on what's been going on.
>>
>> I would love any/all help planning the website and was just preparing
>> something to send out to stimulate discussion.? I've attached a quick review
>> of what the other SIG websites currently contain, crudely coded.? (Feel free
>> to ask for clarification if any of the categories are unclear.)? I added a
>> column for SIG/MET and proposed a few categories that we may want to
>> include, but upper level organization is very flexible, and there may be
>> many more elements we'd want to incorporate.? I just thought this might help
>> to get the discussion going.? Perhaps once we identify the basic components
>> of the website we can collaborate on the content that will be used and the
>> organization/interface design.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -Angela
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Stasa Milojevic <smilojev at indiana.edu>
>> wrote:
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>> -------- Original Message --------
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>> Subject:
>> [Sigmet-officers] Planning the Web-site
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>> Date:
>> Mon, 13 Dec 2010 03:39:38 -0800 (PST)
>>
>> From:
>> Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net>
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>> To:
>> sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org
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>> Hi all,
>> ?
>> I did not receive any suggested changes to my planned activities for the
>> year, so I have decided to press on with the activities for December and
>> January.?
>>
>> Dec: Complete activities relating to starting the SIG.
>> Dec: Plan the SIG Web-site.
>> Jan: Prepare and upload the SIG Web site.
>> Jan: Set-up and advertise the student paper contest.
>> ?
>> Thanks to the substantial help from Dietmar and Cassidy, most of the
>> activities relating to starting the SIG have been completed.??? So our
>> largest task at present is planning, preparing and uploading the SIG
>> Web-site.? I suggest that all officers contribute to the planning and
>> preparation of content of the Web-site, as this reduces the workload on
>> Angela who has agreed to be both Webmaster and Communications Officer.?
>> Could all officers please post their suggestions regarding the Web-site to
>> this list?
>> ?
>> Please note that the officers? list requires moderator intervention for
>> postings over 40K, and that Word 2007 documents are typically about half the
>> size of Word 2003 documents.? So in order to avoid unnecessary work for our
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>> like to thank Sta?a for having agreed to moderate the officers? list and for
>> having approved my posting of over 40K.
>> ?
>> Best regards,
>> Jonathan.
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>> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 08:16:25 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net>
>> Subject: [Sigmet-officers] Paper contest
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>> Hi Chaoqun,
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>> Could you please draft your initial suggestions for the paper contest??
>> You may find it helpful to look at other paper contests (e.g., SIG III).
>> ?
>> Best regards,
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>> From: Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net>
>> Subject: [Sigmet-officers] WebMar deabate
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>> Hi all,
>> ?
>> Cassidy has suggested starting work on the WebMar deabate earlier than I
>> had proposed.
>> ?
>> I think we need to agree on the topic, possible speakers and moderator.?
>> According to notes from the 2010 meeting ?A possibility for the debate topic
>> was Crown indicators.? This debate would have two speakers and one moderator
>> and would be streamed live for the ASIS&T audience.?? I suggest that we
>> modify the topic to ?Crown and alternative indicators?.? This way it allows
>> speakers to suggest and discuss alternatives.? As regards speakers, I think
>> it a good idea to have someone who opposes the Crown (e.g., Leydesdorff) and
>> someone who helped develop it (e.g. Van Raan, Moed).? ?What do you think?
>> ?
>> Best regards,
>> Jonathan.
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>> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:44:50 -0500
>> From: Cassidy Sugimoto <cassidysugimoto at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] WebMar deabate
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>> I would personally love to see a Leydesdeoff and Van Raan debate (and I
>> think I would not be alone here).  Do you think that identifying Crown
>> indicators is too specific (even with the mention of "alternative
>> indicators")?  Another idea that was floated at the AM was the idea of
>> debating citation metrics vs. usage metrics or other web-based metrics.
>> However, I could imagine this as a panel at the AM (rather than a debate)
>> with White (or another Drexel-ite), Leydesdorff, Thelwall (or our very own
>> Jonathan!), and Bollen.
>>
>> The current pricing structure that has been discussed by the board for
>> webinars is free for members at $49 for non-ASIS&T members.  However, some
>> webinars have been putting a small member charge ($10-$20) if the speakers
>> require any funding.
>>
>> Cassidy
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>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net
>> >wrote:
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>> > *Hi all,*
>> >
>> > * *
>> >
>> > *Cassidy has suggested starting work on the WebMar deabate earlier than
>> I
>> > had proposed. *
>> >
>> > * *
>> >
>> > *I think we need to agree on the topic, possible speakers and moderator.
>>  According
>> > to notes from the 2010 meeting ?A possibility for the debate topic was
>> Crown
>> > indicators.  This debate would have two speakers and one moderator and
>> > would be streamed live for the ASIS&T audience.?  I suggest that we
>> modify
>> > the topic to ?Crown and alternative indicators?.  This way it allows
>> > speakers to suggest and discuss alternatives.  As regards speakers, I
>> > think it a good idea to have someone who opposes the Crown (e.g.,
>> > Leydesdorff) and someone who helped develop it (e.g. Van Raan, Moed).
>> What
>> > do you think?*
>> >
>> > * *
>> >
>> > *Best regards,*
>> >
>> > *Jonathan.*
>> >
>> >
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>> Assistant Professor
>> School of Library and Information Science
>> Indiana University Bloomington
>> http://ella.slis.indiana.edu/~sugimoto<http://ella.slis.indiana.edu/%7Esugimoto>
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