[Sigmet-officers] Debate

Tue Jan 18 03:07:39 EST 2011

Dear All,

Having Loet Leydesdorff and Tony Van Raan in a debate is not the best idea.
There was a rather bitter exchange between them at the Leiden S&T Conference
this September. It was rather unpleasant for the the conference
participants.
Also we should decide whether we are planning a Webinar or a panel for the
next meeting. The Crown indicator and the new indicator developed in Leiden
is used for university rankings. This is a highly controversial issue with
quite a number of rankings being around. We could include this topic in the
webinar, if you think that discussing indicators is too narrow.

Best regards,
Judit

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> From: Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net>
> Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Planning the Web-site
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> Hi Angela,
> ?
> Could you please send this list your draft of the contents of the Web-site
> within the next few days, so that we can keep to our target of uploading the
> Web-site by the end of this month?
> ?
> Many thanks,
> Jonathan.
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> --- On Fri, 7/1/11, Cassidy Sugimoto <cassidysugimoto at gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: Cassidy Sugimoto <cassidysugimoto at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Planning the Web-site
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> Date: Friday, 7 January, 2011, 22:58
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> This all looks great!? We will also host a copy of the webinar on this
> website?? Will we post the call for the workshop here as well?
>
> Cassidy
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> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net>
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> Hi all,
> ?
> Thanks Stasa for added Angela to the listserv and for helping her catch up.
> ?
> Thanks Angela for your message and attachment.? Your comparison of other
> SIGs and suggestions for SIG/MET provide a very useful platform from which
> to plan the Web-site.? I am very happy to be involved with the planning.
> ?
> In other to involve others, I present my feedback on Angela?s message in
> the attached.? As always, anyone on this listserve is very welcome to
> comment or suggest changes.? I have used track changes, as this format is
> more accessible to me.
> ?
> Best regards,
> Jonathan.
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> --- On Tue, 21/12/10, Angela Zoss <amzoss at indiana.edu> wrote:
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> From: Angela Zoss <amzoss at indiana.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Planning the Web-site
> To: sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org
> Date: Tuesday, 21 December, 2010, 5:02
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> Hi everyone,
>
> Sorry I've missed some of these messages!? Stasa realized I hadn't been
> added to the listserv and has helped me catch up on what's been going on.
>
> I would love any/all help planning the website and was just preparing
> something to send out to stimulate discussion.? I've attached a quick review
> of what the other SIG websites currently contain, crudely coded.? (Feel free
> to ask for clarification if any of the categories are unclear.)? I added a
> column for SIG/MET and proposed a few categories that we may want to
> include, but upper level organization is very flexible, and there may be
> many more elements we'd want to incorporate.? I just thought this might help
> to get the discussion going.? Perhaps once we identify the basic components
> of the website we can collaborate on the content that will be used and the
> organization/interface design.
>
> Thanks!
> -Angela
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> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Stasa Milojevic <smilojev at indiana.edu>
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> Subject:
> [Sigmet-officers] Planning the Web-site
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> Date:
> Mon, 13 Dec 2010 03:39:38 -0800 (PST)
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> From:
> Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net>
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> To:
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> Hi all,
> ?
> I did not receive any suggested changes to my planned activities for the
> year, so I have decided to press on with the activities for December and
> January.?
>
> Dec: Complete activities relating to starting the SIG.
> Dec: Plan the SIG Web-site.
> Jan: Prepare and upload the SIG Web site.
> Jan: Set-up and advertise the student paper contest.
> ?
> Thanks to the substantial help from Dietmar and Cassidy, most of the
> activities relating to starting the SIG have been completed.??? So our
> largest task at present is planning, preparing and uploading the SIG
> Web-site.? I suggest that all officers contribute to the planning and
> preparation of content of the Web-site, as this reduces the workload on
> Angela who has agreed to be both Webmaster and Communications Officer.?
> Could all officers please post their suggestions regarding the Web-site to
> this list?
> ?
> Please note that the officers? list requires moderator intervention for
> postings over 40K, and that Word 2007 documents are typically about half the
> size of Word 2003 documents.? So in order to avoid unnecessary work for our
> moderator, I suggest that you post attachments in Word 2007 format.? I would
> like to thank Sta?a for having agreed to moderate the officers? list and for
> having approved my posting of over 40K.
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> Best regards,
> Jonathan.
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> From: Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net>
> Subject: [Sigmet-officers] Paper contest
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> Hi Chaoqun,
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> Could you please draft your initial suggestions for the paper contest?? You
> may find it helpful to look at other paper contests (e.g., SIG III).
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> Best regards,
> Jonathan.
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> From: Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net>
> Subject: [Sigmet-officers] WebMar deabate
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> Hi all,
> ?
> Cassidy has suggested starting work on the WebMar deabate earlier than I
> had proposed.
> ?
> I think we need to agree on the topic, possible speakers and moderator.?
> According to notes from the 2010 meeting ?A possibility for the debate topic
> was Crown indicators.? This debate would have two speakers and one moderator
> and would be streamed live for the ASIS&T audience.?? I suggest that we
> modify the topic to ?Crown and alternative indicators?.? This way it allows
> speakers to suggest and discuss alternatives.? As regards speakers, I think
> it a good idea to have someone who opposes the Crown (e.g., Leydesdorff) and
> someone who helped develop it (e.g. Van Raan, Moed).? ?What do you think?
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> Best regards,
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> From: Cassidy Sugimoto <cassidysugimoto at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] WebMar deabate
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> I would personally love to see a Leydesdeoff and Van Raan debate (and I
> think I would not be alone here).  Do you think that identifying Crown
> indicators is too specific (even with the mention of "alternative
> indicators")?  Another idea that was floated at the AM was the idea of
> debating citation metrics vs. usage metrics or other web-based metrics.
> However, I could imagine this as a panel at the AM (rather than a debate)
> with White (or another Drexel-ite), Leydesdorff, Thelwall (or our very own
> Jonathan!), and Bollen.
>
> The current pricing structure that has been discussed by the board for
> webinars is free for members at $49 for non-ASIS&T members.  However, some
> webinars have been putting a small member charge ($10-$20) if the speakers
> require any funding.
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> Cassidy
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> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net
> >wrote:
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> > *Hi all,*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *Cassidy has suggested starting work on the WebMar deabate earlier than I
> > had proposed. *
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *I think we need to agree on the topic, possible speakers and moderator.
>  According
> > to notes from the 2010 meeting ?A possibility for the debate topic was
> Crown
> > indicators.  This debate would have two speakers and one moderator and
> > would be streamed live for the ASIS&T audience.?  I suggest that we
> modify
> > the topic to ?Crown and alternative indicators?.  This way it allows
> > speakers to suggest and discuss alternatives.  As regards speakers, I
> > think it a good idea to have someone who opposes the Crown (e.g.,
> > Leydesdorff) and someone who helped develop it (e.g. Van Raan, Moed).
> What
> > do you think?*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *Best regards,*
> >
> > *Jonathan.*
> >
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> School of Library and Information Science
> Indiana University Bloomington
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