[Sigmet-officers] SIGMETRICS list
Jonathan Levitt
jonathan at levitt.net
Sun Dec 4 08:55:26 EST 2011
Dear all,
Stasa wrote “I've also realized that we have never added Gretchen to the list of SIG Officers. Is that something that Jonathan should offer to Gretchen again?”Gretchen is on the list of officers of the SIG Web-site (http://www.asis.org/SIG/SIGMET/officers.html), but not on the list of officers of the ASIST description of the SIG (http://www.asis.org/SIG/met.html).I could apologies and offer to rectify the matter.
Stasa wrote “I think that in short run we need to try to keep things as they are so that we don't disrupt a resource that so many people are using, in long run it might be a good idea to look for a permanent solution (such as having the list be administered by ASIST) that would not depend on any individual member.”I appreciate that a careful transfer might take time, and so suggest that next week one of the officers asks ASIST to indicate how to arrange a careful transfer of the listserve (including how long it will take and what they require from Gretchen).
In order to limit the possible damage that Gretchen could cause, I suggest that if possible we make a back-up copy of the listserve’s Archives.Does anyone know of software that would enable this to be carried out automatically?
Best,
Jonathan.
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From: Stasa Milojevic <smilojev at indiana.edu>
To: sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] SIGMETRICS list
Dear All,
I agree that this is a very delicate situation and it is true to say
that none of us wants the current SIGMETRICS list to be
discontinued.
I want to thank Jonathan for agreeing to approach Gretchen. I've
also realized that we have never added Gretchen to the list of SIG
Officers. Is that something that Jonathan should offer to Gretchen
again? That would help to show our recognition for her efforts and
reinforce the view that all of us have a common goal and are part of
the same interest group.
I also agree with Judit that this is something that as a SIG we need
to discuss. Having similar situation occur two times is worrisome.
While I think that in short run we need to try to keep things as
they are so that we don't disrupt a resource that so many people are
using, in long run it might be a good idea to look for a permanent
solution (such as having the list be administered by ASIST) that
would not depend on any individual member.
Best,
Stasa
On 12/3/2011 3:13 AM, Judit Bar-Ilan wrote:
Dear All,
>
>
>This is a very delicate situation. Of course we do not want the SIGMETRICS list to discontinue. It is rather hard to follow the discussion thread.
>
>
>On January 4, 2011 Gretchen agreed to continue to moderate the list.
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>
>
>Previously, on December 24, 2010 she wrote (if I understand correctly):
>I would let the new SIG do their things their way. I will close down SIGMET the end of the fiscal year, which will give them ample opportunity to figure out how to resolve communications.
>I'm more than willing to let you have the subscribers names. I am mulling over if I am willing to let you have the archives… I'm leaning to have you have them as > long as you can preserve them as my work of art and my creation.
>
>
>She made negative remarks about Twitter and Facebook last year as well.
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>I think that it is best that Jonathan approached her, thanking her and reminding her of her email of January 4, and assuring her that nothing changed since; we view the SIGMETRICS list as a most valuable list where SIG/MET members and non SIG/MET members conduct serious metrics discussions. We ask her again to continue to moderate the list. Also, explain that we have never asked to change anything; we only wanted to have a direct link from ASIST to the SIGMETRICS list. I think that cc-ing Dick on this would be a good idea. And of course cc-ing Stasa.
>
>
>Now from our website we link to http://web.utk.edu/~gwhitney/sigmetrics.html, which says that this is a virtual special interest group (but this page is not maintained by Gretchen, so we might not be able to change this). Btw, I see that our page was updated on http://www.asis.org/SIG/met.html, but the information on http://www.asis.org/SIG/SIGMET/ is outdated.
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>Let us hope for the best. In the meantime we should look for new options as well, because this is already the second time Gretchen announced that she will close down the list.
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>Regards,
>Judit
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>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 8:51 AM, sigmet-officers-request at asis.org <sigmet-officers-request at asis.org> wrote:
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>>Message: 1
>>Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 22:29:00 -0500
>>From: Stasa Milojevic <smilojev at indiana.edu>
>>Subject: [Sigmet-officers] Fwd: RE: SIGMETRICS mailing list
>>To: sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org
>>Cc: rhill at asis.org
>>Message-ID: <4ED9977C.7080402 at indiana.edu>
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>> Dear all,
>>
>>I am forwarding you email threads that ensued after I had
asked to have
>>a link that directs to the SIGMETRICS list subscription info
from the
>>ASIST SIG Metrics website.
>>
>>This request (which was honored by Jan and Dick) has,
however, triggered
>>some negative response from Dr. Whitney, who now announces
that she will
>>be shutting down the list. I know that Dietmar asked
Gretchen to
>>continue to maintain the mailing list at UTK when we stopped
being a
>>virtual SIG, but, to my knowledge, she never responded to
his email.
>>
>>I most certainly do not see any reason not to continue using
the current
>>list and servers at UTK.
>>
>>Does anyone know whether any arrangements were made with
Gretchen in the
>>end, and also can a moderator terminate the SIG list without
first
>>making sure that it is seamlessly transferred to another
server (if needed)?
>>
>>
>>Best,
>>Stasa
>>
>>
>>**********************************************
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>Judit Bar-Ilan
>Head of Department
>Department of Information Science
>Bar-Ilan University, Ramat Gan, 52900, Israel
>Tel: 972-3-5318351 Fax: 972-3-7384027
>email: Judit.Bar-Ilan at biu.ac.il
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