[Sigmet-officers] Webinar

Mon Aug 15 08:59:54 EDT 2011

Dear All,

I like Cassidy's idea of an introductory webinar instead of a debate.

Regards,
Judit

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> From: Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net>
> Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Webmar debate: topic and speakers
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> Just to clarify my remark: ?I suggest that when Dietmar contacts the
> speakers he asks them to give talks at an introductory level and seeks to
> find a topic that on which a range of experts are happy to talk.?
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> This is only a suggestion based on very limited time t think about how to
> proceed.? If the officers consider that Cassidy?s suggestion or a third
> proposal is more appropriate please follow what you think is best.? In the
> interim feel free to advance the discussion without me.
> ?
> Jonathan.
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> --- On Sun, 14/8/11, Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net> wrote:
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> From: Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net>
> Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Webmar debate: topic and speakers
> To: "SIG/MET" <sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org>
> Date: Sunday, 14 August, 2011, 20:42
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> Dear all,
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> I am due to leave for the airport in less than nine hours and besides
> getting a night?s sleep have a stack of things to sort out, including last
> minute suggested changes to the annual report.? I suggest that when Dietmar
> contacts the speakers he asks them to give talks at an introductory level
> and seeks to find a topic that on which a range of experts are happy to
> talk.?
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> Must rush; hope to be in email contact soon.
> Jonathan.
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> --- On Sun, 14/8/11, Cassidy Sugimoto <cassidysugimoto at gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: Cassidy Sugimoto <cassidysugimoto at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Webmar debate: topic and speakers
> To:
> Cc: "SIG/MET" <sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org>
> Date: Sunday, 14 August, 2011, 19:42
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> A few thoughts: my own impression is echoed in the response by the two
> people you approached--"visualization" is a huge topic and must be narrowed.
> Also, the concept of "visualization" does not lend itself to a debate as
> originally planned. However, this might be suitable for a nice introductory
> webinar with one individual speaking, rather than multiple. Looking over the
> revenue generated by previous ASIS&T webinars, it seems that the intro to IA
> was one of the most popular. Perhaps we could frame this as "An Intro to
> science mapping: tools, techniques and data sources"? Would it be possible
> to find a single speaker to do this? I could image this being both popular
> and revenue generating. I see a panel or debate on this topic less fruitful.
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> Cassidy
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> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net>
> wrote:
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> Dear all,
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> I emailed Katy Borner, Kevin Boyack and Loet Leydesdorff enquiring whether
> they were interested in speaking on a Webmar on visualization, and inviting
> them to suggest suitable topics and speakers for such a debate.? Kevin and
> Loet replied (contents pasted below).
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> >From their feedback, I infer:
> (a)?????? A Webmar on visualization would benefit from including Chaomei
> Chen (in addition to Katy, Kevin and Loet).?
> (b)????? Different people (e.g., Katy and Kevin) specialize in very
> different aspects of visualization, so in order to get a wide spectrum of
> specialists on board we need to allow the speakers considerable freedom in
> the content of their presentation.
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> Based on previous correspondence, I suggest:
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> Time of day: 2 p.m. EST.
> Date of week: Friday.
> Month: September or October, on a date that suits Dietmar and the speakers.
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> Speakers: Preferably one from Europe and ne from North America.
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> Cost: About $15 for students, members of ASIST, members or ISSI; $49 for
> others.
> Moderator: Dietmar has agreed to moderate.
> Topic: Visualization.
> Format: On July 26, I wrote that the format is still to be decided adding
> ?I welcome suggestions from the officers ? on other matters such as the
> format.?? As I have not received any feedback regarding format, I suggest
> that Dietmar asks the potential speakers for their input on the format.? One
> possible format is:
> (a)?????? Introduction of the speakers by the moderator.
> (b)????? Presentations by three or four speakers on topics that may be of
> interest.
> (c)?????? A questions and answers session.
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> In order to take things forward I suggest that Dietmar, the moderato of
> this Webmar, formally invites Chaomei Chen, Katy Borner, Kevin Boyack and
> Loet Leydesdorff to participate in a Webmar on visualization and seeks to
> finalize dates, format and content that suits as many potential speakers as
> possible.? As I think we should press on with the Webmar, if you do not
> agree with this suggestion, could you please let the list know by Sunday.
> ?
> Best,
> Jonathan.
> ?
> Response from Kevin Boyack
> ?
> Hi Jonathon,
> ?
> I would also like to find out more about what you mean by "visualization".?
> What definition of visualization will this debate be based upon? To most
> people, visualization is the end product - the actual visual. To me,
> visualization is all about the process of classification, similarity, etc. -
> the processing that enables a meaningful visual representation of the data.?
> The visual at the end is important, but to me is just the final step in a
> multi-step process.
> ?
> Your second question, about aspects of visualization, makes me think this
> debate is about the visuals rather than the process. If that is the case,
> then I'm not really the right person for this debate. There are aspects
> around color, shape, visual design, cognition, etc. that are actual
> visualization aspects. I know very little about those things.
> ?
> I would suggest that you talk to Katy Borner about this. She is very
> qualified, and is more interested in the actual visuals and aspects of
> visualization than am I. Chaomei Chen should also be consulted - he is,
> after all, the editor of the Information Visualization journal, and would
> certainly be able to suggest others.
> ?
> If the basis of this debate will be the larger process, then I would be
> happy to participate if it does not conflict with my schedule.
> Best regards,
> Kevin
> ?
> Response from Loet Leydesdorff
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> Dear Jonathan,
> ?
> I apologize for not attending the meeting. It must have slipped my mind.
> ?
> 1. Yes, it seems nice to me to discuss online visualization issues with our
> colleagues. I have a preference for an email list because then one can
> contribute at one's own time and speed.
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> 2. Katy Borner used one of my visualization for the exhibits:
> ?The Emergence of Nanotechnology?, Places & Spaces: Mapping Science
> Exhibit; launched at Nov 16-17, Royal Society Global Science Report Launch
> Conference, Kavli Royal Society International Center, London, England (David
> Stilgoe and Katy B?rner); online at
> http://scimaps.org/maps/map/the_emergence_of_nan_121/
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> It is based on the animation at
> http://www.leydesdorff.net/journals/nanotech/ .
> ?
> Thank you for keeping me posted.
> ?
> Best wishes,
> Loet
> ?
> ?
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> --- On Mon, 1/8/11, Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net> wrote:
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> From: Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net>
> Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Webmar debate: topic and speakers
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> To: "SIG/MET" <sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org>
> Date: Monday, 1 August, 2011, 8:07
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> Dear all,
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> Thanks Judit and Cassidy for your feedback.? Faced with the divergent
> perspectives, I have decided to follow my own judgment and pursue
> visualization.? However, out of fairness to Cassidy, I present my response
> to her feedback.
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> ?
> Cassidy wrote ?I don't think we should abandon this topic before we've had
> true brainstorming on it.?? SIG/MET is not abandoning your suggestion, just
> not using it this time (as we are short of time and must settle on a topic
> soon if I am to keep to my schedule for the SIG). ?We have allowed plenty of
> time fort brainstorming.? Cassidy, Ronald and I spent about 15 minutes
> discussing the topic and, as Cassidy wrote in her notes, ?The topic that
> received the most discussion was expanding on Eric Archambault?s criticisms
> of Jonathan Adam?s Book Citation Index presentation. ?We discussed
> approaching Eric Archambault to do the con, but could not think of anyone to
> do the pro.?? In addition, Cassidy has had three further weeks to provide
> convincing evidence in support of her suggestion.? Cassidy provides a list
> of people who have ?talked about humanities research and who use ISI?; in my
> judgment it would devalue our webmar to not insist on
>  more stringent selection criteria than speakers having ?talked about
> humanities research and who use ISI.??
> ?
> Cassidy wrote ?While I'm willing to do a webinar on visualization, I think
> we will have a much broader audience on the topic of the Book Citation
> Index.?? In view of Cassidy?s concerns that ?visualization may not be of
> sufficient interest, I suggest that I contact at least one expert in
> visualization, such as Katy B?rner, for feedback on aspects of visualization
> that ?are suitable for a SIG/MET webmar.? I plan to do this tomorrow, so if
> any officer wants to have some input on this plan of action, could you
> please respond today.
> ?
> Best,
> Jonathan.
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> --- On Sun, 31/7/11, Cassidy Sugimoto <cassidysugimoto at gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: Cassidy Sugimoto <cassidysugimoto at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Webmar debate: topic and speakers
> To: "Jonathan Levitt" <jonathan at levitt.net>
> Cc: "SIG/MET" <sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org>
> Date: Sunday, 31 July, 2011, 14:11
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> Dear all:
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> While I'm willing to do a webinar on visualization, I think we will have a
> much broader audience on the topic of the Book Citation Index as this is a
> new thing and very interesting to not only scientometricians, but also
> librarians, policy makers, and humanities scholars. It should not be
> difficult to come up with a name of someone who uses ISI products for
> research and who can speak to the benefit of them (what would most of us be
> doing without the Web of Science?). Some names that come to mind (people who
> have talked about humanities research and who use ISI):
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> Howard White
> Kate McCain
> Bjorn Hammarfelt
> Dana Hicks
> Alan Porter
> Loet Leydesdorff
> Vincent Lariviere
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> The list is much longer, but this is a start. I don't think we should
> abandon this topic before we've had true brainstorming on it.
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> Best,
> Cassidy
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> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net>
> wrote:
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> Dear all,
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> Following on from my posting, Cassidy wrote ?I think it would be nice to
> have Jonathan do a 5 minute introduction to the topic, but not represent the
> pro as he represents a commercial interest.? The topic, suggested by
> Cassidy, is not related to my research and I attended neither Jonathan
> Adams? talk nor Eric?s response; in addition, as we should arrange speakers
> ASAP, it is not a good idea to have a topic on which we are struggling to
> find even two speakers that we consider suitable.
> ?
> Under these circumstances, I propose switching to a topic on which there
> are several suitable speakers including more than one from North America.?
> ?How about some aspect of visualization? ?If you agree to this topic, I will
> approach potential speakers.
> ?
> Best,
> Jonathan.
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> --- On Sat, 30/7/11, Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net> wrote:
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> From: Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net>
> Subject: [Sigmet-officers] Webmar debate: topic and speakers
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> To: "SIG/MET" <sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org>
> Date: Saturday, 30 July, 2011, 20:20
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> Dear all,
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> Following on from my previous email on this topic, to me the priority is to
> settle on topic and speakers.?
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> In her useful notes, Cassidy wrote ?The topic that received the most
> discussion was expanding on Eric Archambault?s criticisms of Jonathan Adam?s
> Book Citation Index presentation ? We discussed approaching Eric Archambault
> to do the con, but could not think of anyone to do the pro.?? How about
> Jonathan providing the pro; after all Jonathan is the person who gave the
> Book Citation Index presentation?? Could you please give feedback soon, so
> that I can take things forward by either approach Eric and Jonathan or
> pursuing a different topic?
> ?
> Best,
> Jonathan.
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> --- On Tue, 26/7/11, Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net> wrote:
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> From: Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net>
> Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Webmar debate
> To: "SIG/MET" <sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org>
> Date: Tuesday, 26 July, 2011, 9:40
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> Dear all,
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> Thanks for your very helpful feedback.? On the basis of the feedback I
> suggest the following revised proposal:
> Time of day: 2 p.m. EST.
> Date of week: Friday.
> Month: September, but not September 24 (overlaps with Collnet).
> Speakers: Preferably one from Europe and ne from North America.
> Cost: About $15 for students, members of ASIST, members or ISSI; $49 for
> others.
> Moderator: Dietma has agreed to moderate; thanks very much.
> ?
> Judit asked whether the people I mentioned have agreed to participate; no,
> I have not approached anyone about the possibility of speaking so we are
> free to select speakers.
> ?
> Stasa asked about the format; this is still to be decided.? I would be
> pleased to build on Cassidy?s experiences with SIG/ED: ?For example, what
> format was used and what changes she would recommend.? Also, it could be
> useful to know how many paid $49.
> ?
> Cassidy thanks for providing your notes from the ISSI meeting.? They are
> very helpful and I fully understand about the delay.? You wrote ?We decided
> to wait and ask other SIG/MET officers for their opinions?; I welcome
> suggestions from the officers not only on the topic, but on other matters
> such as the format.
> ?
> Best,
> Jonathan.
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> --- On Fri, 22/7/11, Dietmar Wolfram <dwolfram at uwm.edu> wrote:
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> From: Dietmar Wolfram <dwolfram at uwm.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Webmar debate
> To: "Cassidy Sugimoto" <cassidysugimoto at gmail.com>
> Cc: sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org
> Date: Friday, 22 July, 2011, 21:17
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> Thanks, Cassidy. That's less than I thought it would be.
> Dietmar
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> From: "Cassidy Sugimoto" <cassidysugimoto at gmail.com>
> To: "Dietmar Wolfram" <dwolfram at uwm.edu>
> Cc: "Stasa Milojevic" <smilojev at indiana.edu>,
> sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 11:08:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Webmar debate
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> The current pricing for webinars is as follows:
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> The initial flat price for having ASIS&T set up the webinar, put it on the
> website and run registration will be $50 (paid by the SIG, Chapter, etc.).?
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> If there is a charge associated with the webinar, ASIS&T HQ will collected
> $1.75 per person (even if one group of people is free). Any extra revenue
> will go directly to the sponsoring unit (SIG, Chapter, etc.).
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> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Dietmar Wolfram <dwolfram at uwm.edu>
> wrote:
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> Dear all,
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> I like the idea of holding the webinar on a Friday as well for the reasons
> cited. I'll be happy to serve as a moderator for the session if we find we
> need one.
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> What is the procedure for?mounting a webinar? I notice that go2meeting has
> been used for others. Is there a cost for the sponsoring SIG? As a first
> event, I think it would be great if we could offer it for free to SIG
> members and students to get more buy-in to the SIG. Of course, this?would
> not be feasible if there is a?usage charge for the platform used that would
> need to be recouped.
> ?
> Dietmar
> ?
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> From: "Stasa Milojevic" <smilojev at indiana.edu>
> To: sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 8:24:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Webmar debate
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> Dear Jonathan,
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> Thank you for moving this forward. I have a few suggestions and questions.
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> I think that having a webinar during a working week might bring in bigger
> audience. One possibility would be a Friday, since there are fewer classes
> on Fridays (in the US), which would mean that more faculty and students
> might be able to attend.
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> What format do we envision? Are these two lecture-type presentations? What
> would the role of a moderator be in that case? Who is our targeted audience
> (bibliometrics community or general IS community)?
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> Best,
> Stasa
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> On 7/22/11 8:05 AM, Jonathan Levitt wrote:
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> Dear all,
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> I am a bit hampered by not having Cassidy?s notes on the SIG/MET meeting,
> but cannot delay pressing on with SIG meters (I am going on my annual
> holiday in August). ?I recall two suggestions from our discussions on the
> Webmar debate:
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> (1)????? The strengths and weaknesses of using citation data in the
> humanities.
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> (2)????? The strengths and weaknesses of using citation data.
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> I prefer the second proposal for two reasons: (a) we were unable to find a
> person who we thought would defend using citation data in the humanities and
> (b) the second topic is more closely related to our accepted panel on the
> use of informetric information and could attract participants at our panel.?
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> My suggestions are:
> Topic: The strengths and weaknesses of using citation data.
> Time of day: Afternoon (EST) so at to be a comfortable time of day for
> members from California and Europe.
> Date of week: Saturday or Sunday.
> Month: September.
> Speakers: One from Holland (Loet or Henk) and one from Belgium (Ronald or
> Wolfgang).
> Moderator: A particularly experienced SIG/MET officer (Dietmar? or Judit).
> Cost: $14.99 for members of ASIST or ISSI; $49.99 for other people.
> ?
> Could you please let me know what you think?
> ?
> Thanks,
> Jonathan.
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