[Sigia-l] Link to Search Field Labels

[Alfonso Corretti]

On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 12:03, Listera wrote:

> OK for a simple tip, to avoid using a third column, you're now requiring
> CSS, JavaScript, cookies and server-side processing. :-)

?

We do not make "simple tips". We do web applications, and we must
consider web usability, information architecture, experience design,
interaction design, etc. when developing them.

 
> > In the fact of javascript being off, I can't imagine a rich WWW
> > environment as we've got right know, without the use of client-side
> > scripting. W3C understood this and developed the DOM
> 
> And Microsoft developed IE with plenty of JS holes and popups to scare
> people off. :-)

JS holes? I think you're just referring to VBScript/ActiveX security
issues.
If you were referring to implementation problems (deriving those to
cross-platforms problems), that could be due to the lack of standard
specifications about DOM, and I've said W3C has already developed it, so
MS can now do their job in the correct way.

And popups aren't nor MS' problem, nor JavaScript' problem. They are a
problem due to the bad use of them.

> > And here I must appoint that having that info in another
> > different page is even more confusing than the need to know how to
> > disable those annoying (only when are reiterative) tooltips.
> 
> Perhaps, but I wasn't advocating sending people to another page. In fact, I
> want the tips/comments persistent/visible right next to the items they refer
> to -- as short as possible and visually differentiated; no CSS, JavaScript,
> cookies and server-side processing; and no trips to other pages.

And I was advocating the lack of reuse in such approach, since we can't
always expect to have enough visual space for so much info, since we
must manage a lot of information, buzzwords, taxonomies, kinds of
content, experiences, interactions... And everything integrated into 
dynamic content generation frameworks (or, in smaller websites,
integrated into a development team).

> The real trick of course, is to design the darn thing so that the user needs
> no tips.:-)

Sure, and forgetting all client needs of reuse, dynamism,
auto-generation, self-discovery, context-drived contents...

But, of course! Go and force them to call you everytime they want to
change something in their website :-)

Cheers,

-- 
Alfonso Corretti <alfonso.corretti at hispalinux.es>
HISPALiNUX - Asociación Española de Usuarios de GNU/Linux