Pikas, Christina K. Christina.Pikas at JHUAPL.EDU
Wed Oct 23 14:40:02 EDT 2013

I don't believe this particular discussion needs to be held on SIGMETRICS. In fact, this exact discussion was just held on LIBLICENSE - in excruciating detail.  It's the thread(s) "provocative exchange" in September and October 2013 (start here: http://listserv.crl.edu/wa.exe?A1=ind1309&L=LIBLICENSE-L#2 )


From: ASIS&T Special Interest Group on Metrics [mailto:SIGMETRICS at listserv.utk.edu] On Behalf Of David Wojick
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:27 PM
To: SIGMETRICS at listserv.utk.edu
Subject: Re: [SIGMETRICS] OA

Thanks for the plug Stevan. While we are at it I have been meaning to ask you a question. As I understand it your position is that all published articles should be immediately available for free. My question is why then anyone would subscribe to a journal? I am sure you have an answer but I have no idea what it is, as your proposal seems to defy the basic laws of economics. Immediate deposit seems to be self defeating. What have I missed?


At 01:50 PM 10/23/2013, you wrote:

On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 1:26 PM, David Wojick <dwojick at craigellachie.us<mailto:dwojick at craigellachie.us> > wrote:

The USA has the lead here, as far as major funder mandates are concerned, and they have opted for a 12 month publisher embargo form of green OA. I have several articles on this at
Peter does not even discuss what is actually happening on the policy front.

On leads vs. lags and analysis vs argument, see:
Revealing Dialogue on "CHORUS" with David Wojick, OSTI Consultant<http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1027-.html>

The exchange is preceded by the following note (by me):

Note: David Wojick<http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/about/> works part time as the Senior Consultant for Innovation at OSTI<http://www.osti.gov/home/>, the Office of Scientific and Technical Information, in the Office of Science of the US Department of Energy. He has a PhD in logic and philosophy of science, an MA in mathematical logic, and a BS in civil engineering. In the exchanges below, he sounds [to me] very much like a publishing interest lobbyist, but judge for yourself. He also turns out to have a rather curious [and to me surprising] history in environmental matters<http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=David_E._Wojick>...

The topic continued (and continues) to be discussed on the Society for Scholarly Publishing's blog, "The Scholarly Kitchen<http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/about/>," where DW is a frequent contributor.

DW: "Peter Suber is a leader of the OA movement. His article is an argument, not an analysis. He seems to be oblivious to what is actually going on.... Happy OA week."

And a Happy OA week to DW too...

Stevan Harnad
At 12:50 PM 10/23/2013, you wrote:

Dear David,
Sorry, could you tell us why you have the opinion that the author of the Guardian piece is oblivious to what is going on? What, in you eyes, is the main thing he seems not aware of?
Thank you,
Jeroen Bosman
Jeroen Bosman, subject librarian Geography&Geoscience
Utrecht University Library
email: j.bosman at uu.nl<mailto:j.bosman at uu.nl>
twitter:@geolibrarianUBU / @jeroenbosman
P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail

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From: ASIS&T Special Interest Group on Metrics [ <mailto:SIGMETRICS at LISTSERV.UTK.EDU> mailto:SIGMETRICS at LISTSERV.UTK.EDU] On Behalf Of David Wojick
Sent: woensdag 23 oktober 2013 18:24
Subject: Re: [SIGMETRICS] OA
Peter Suber is a leader of the OA movement. His article is an argument, not an analysis. He seems to be oblivious to what is actually going on.
Happy OA week.
David Wojick
At 02:20 PM 10/22/2013, you wrote:
>Adminstrative info for SIGMETRICS (for example unsubscribe):
> <http://web.utk.edu/~gwhitney/sigmetrics.html> http://web.utk.edu/~gwhitney/sigmetrics.html
>I post this without comment.
> <http://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-network/blog/2013/oct/21/op> http://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-network/blog/2013/oct/21/op
>But I would be interested to hear listmembers responses/reactions
>Quentin Burrell

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