[Sigmet-officers] Fwd: RE: SIGMETRICS mailing list
Stasa Milojevic
smilojev at indiana.edu
Fri Dec 2 22:29:00 EST 2011
Dear all,
I am forwarding you email threads that ensued after I had asked to have
a link that directs to the SIGMETRICS list subscription info from the
ASIST SIG Metrics website.
This request (which was honored by Jan and Dick) has, however, triggered
some negative response from Dr. Whitney, who now announces that she will
be shutting down the list. I know that Dietmar asked Gretchen to
continue to maintain the mailing list at UTK when we stopped being a
virtual SIG, but, to my knowledge, she never responded to his email.
I most certainly do not see any reason not to continue using the current
list and servers at UTK.
Does anyone know whether any arrangements were made with Gretchen in the
end, and also can a moderator terminate the SIG list without first
making sure that it is seamlessly transferred to another server (if needed)?
Best,
Stasa
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: SIGMETRICS mailing list
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 20:52:08 -0500
From: Gretchen Whitney <gwhitney at utk.edu>
To: Richard Hill <rhill at asis.org>
CC: <smilojev at indiana.edu>, <Cassidysugimoto at gmail.com>
Greetings,
I just don't see the problem here. If folks want to join the SIGMET
list, they follow my directions. ASIST only has to point to these
directions. And ASIST already done this. I use listserv protocols, which
are different from mailman protocols.
I find it weird that all ASIST lists are housed on ASIST servers, and
that I am such an anomaly. There were in the early days past those who
used other software and worked out the compatibilities.
So much for being an early innovator for a spiderweb of an association,
which folks today cannot understand because it is too demanding.
SIGMET is not used much any more for serious discussion or distribution
of citations, papers, or trends. I've looked at the current ASIST web
site for the group, and it is just announcements of conference dates. It
isn't discussion of papers. It isn't discussion of trends.
I've looked at the current twitter account for SIGMET, and it is just a
mish-mash of general science, with no focus. Especially no focus on
metrics. It is largely just chit-chat somewhat about information issues,
but there is no focus on anything.
I don't know who Angela is, but she has four to seven followers for the
Association for SIGMET on Twitter, as if this is the latest technology to
support participation in ASIST SIGs. As of this evening, SIGMET on
listserv has seven hundred and forty nine readers. I hate to leave these
readers in the lurch, but I seem to have no choice. The younger readers
appear to want to chit-chat. I don't see Twitter succeeding for sustained
scholarly conversations, but young people don't seem to be interested in
that.
For the ASIST SIG MET, you have four to seven followers. Good luck with
that.
I'll kill SIGMET at the end of this calendar year. It is clear that
current ASIST members want to chit-chat, and not have focused on and have
no interest in serious discussions about the subjects at hand.
I have no idea whether these issues reverberrate (sp?) across other
SIGs. But I would worry.
--gw
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Gretchen Whitney, PhD, Retired
School of Information Sciences
University of Tennessee, Knoxville TN 37996 USA gwhitney at utk.edu
http://web.utk.edu/~gwhitney/
jESSE:http://web.utk.edu/~gwhitney/jesse.html
SIGMETRICS:http://web.utk.edu/~gwhitney/sigmetrics.html
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> ------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: SIGMETRICS mailing list
> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 19:45:39 -0500
> From: Gretchen Whitney <gwhitney at utk.edu>
> To: Stasa Milojevic <smilojev at indiana.edu>
> CC: Richard Hill <rhill at asis.org>
>
> Greetings,
> I see no problems with the ASIST web site and the SIGMET introductory
> site. While ASIST uses mailman technlogies and SIGMET uses listserv
> technologies, the savvy user will not, and has not, had trouble
> transversing between the two. As an Association focused in part on
> information technology, the savvy user will realize that the interests of
> an Association will be spread across different technologies.
> Technically, the mailman technologies cannot enable a listserv user to
> subscribe to listserv lists.
> The appropriate web links have been made.
>
> --gw
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> Gretchen Whitney, PhD, Retired
> School of Information Sciences
> University of Tennessee, Knoxville TN 37996 USA gwhitney at utk.edu
> http://web.utk.edu/~gwhitney/
> jESSE:http://web.utk.edu/~gwhitney/jesse.html
> SIGMETRICS:http://web.utk.edu/~gwhitney/sigmetrics.html
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
On Fri, 2 Dec 2011, Richard Hill wrote:
> OK, the main assist e-mail list page has been modified.
> http://mail.asis.org/mailman/listinfo
>
> Gretchen, our intent was never to insist that the page was only ASIST
> controlled lists. Problem is that the page comes from a software template
> (it's in Php) and we had not found anyone who could modify that template to
> include the metrics list. That is not an unheard of problem with free ware.
>
> As far as I know, there are no other ASIST related lists that are not on our
> software, since LACASIST moving on. Metrics is the only variation.
>
> Dick
>
> __________
> Richard Hill
> ASIS&T Executive Director
> 1320 Fenwick Lane, Suite 510
> Silver Spring, MD 20910
> FAX: (301) 495-0810
> Voice: (301) 495-0900
> rhill at asis.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gretchen Whitney [mailto:gwhitney at utk.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:18 PM
> To: Richard Hill
> Cc: smilojev at indiana.edu
> Subject: RE: SIGMETRICS mailing list
>
> Greetings,
> The ASIST website is accurate at http://mail.asis.org/mailman/listinfo.
> It contains a list of discussion groups that are physically maintained on
> the servers at ASIST.
>
> I doubt if this user wants to know the technical definitions between a
> list archive saved on ASIST vs UTK servers. AFAICT this user wants to
> know how to sign up for SIGMET, and she can't figure it out.
>
> While she could find this information readily on Google, she wants to
> find it on ASIST. While ASIST as an organization may want to limit itself
> to coverage of ASIST-controlled physical resources such as servers, it may
> be useful (if not essential) for new members (as opposed to us old farts
> who know how these things work) for ASIST to include links on its website
> to "associated" SIGs, lists and servers such as Virtual SIGS which lists
> and archives and servers it does not control.
>
> At least she came to ASIST for her information needs, even if she was not
> well schooled in information technology.
>
> --gw
>
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> Gretchen Whitney, PhD, Retired
> School of Information Sciences
> University of Tennessee, Knoxville TN 37996 USA gwhitney at utk.edu
> http://web.utk.edu/~gwhitney/
> jESSE:http://web.utk.edu/~gwhitney/jesse.html
> SIGMETRICS:http://web.utk.edu/~gwhitney/sigmetrics.html
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>
On Thu, 1 Dec 2011, Stasa Milojevic wrote:
> Dear Dick,
>
> The only thing I am asking for is for the list to be listed on the page, so
> that the members can be aware that the SIG and the list are connected
>and have
> way to subscribe to the list from the ASIST SIG Metrics page.
>
> My desire is by no means to change anything regarding the list itself.
>
> Thanks for looking into this!
>
> Best,
> Stasa
> On Thu, 1 Dec 2011, Richard Hill wrote:
>
>> Stasa, copying Gretchen on this as she is the creator, owner, and
> moderator
>> of the Metrics list.
>>
>> The Metrics list in NOT on the ASIST software. Gretchen created this
> years
>> ago and to move it without a compelling reason would risk losing the list
>> archives and be time consuming, given the different softwares involved.
>>
>> The list page we have is automatically generated and re-generates every
> time
>> I add a new list.
>>
>> Presuming that what you are really asking for is not a change in the list,
>> just for the list to be listed on the page. I will look at what can be
> done
>> as a work-around.
>>
>> If the above assumption is wrong, let me know ASAP.
>>
>> Dick
>>
>> __________
>> Richard Hill
>> ASIS&T Executive Director
>> 1320 Fenwick Lane, Suite 510
>> Silver Spring, MD 20910
>> FAX: (301) 495-0810
>> Voice: (301) 495-0900
>> rhill at asis.org
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: Stasa Milojevic [mailto:smilojev at indiana.edu]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 12:27 PM
>> To: Jan Hatzakos
>> Subject: SIGMETRICS mailing list
>>
>> Dear Jan,
>>
>> I've noticed that on the SIG Metrics ASIST Website the link that is
> supposed
>> to lead to the page with the instructions on how to join SIGMETRICS list
>> leads to the following page:
>> http://mail.asis.org/mailman/listinfo on which SIGMETRICS is not listed.
>> Can you please add SIGMETRICS to the list of ASIST's mailing lists?
>>
>> Again, if you are not the right person to contact could you please let me
>> know who should I ask. Thanks for your help!
>>
>> Best,
>> Stasa
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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