[Sigia-l] Anyone suggest a better global list?

[Emily Leahy-Thieler]

I unsubscribed several years ago after a particularly nasty thread involving Ziya. I missed it and rejoined after a while, but postings were so infrequent that I would forget about it as a way to connect. 

I have to say that in 2001/2, I was just starting my career and learned so much from the members of this list. I was lurking and reading most of the time because I was intimated a bit by how knowledgeable everyone was and sort of afraid of being attacked. 

Debate is great, but I remember kinder days when everyone seemed to be trying to help the field grow. I hate to see the list go, but I can't say I've done much to prevent it.

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On Dec 29, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Jonathan Baker-Bates <jonathan at bakerbates.com> wrote:

> On 29 December 2010 21:22, Skot Nelson <skot at penguinstorm.com> wrote:
> 
>> I never had a problem with "being disagreed with" by Ziya.
>> 
>> The problem, as I perceived it, was:
>> A) Ziya disagreed with everybody about everything
>> B) The shear number of messages Ziya sent overwhelmed the list, and it was
>> impossible to unlikely that he read the messages being responded to
>> C) Ziya would post self-contradictory responses sometimes just days apart
>> from each other (effectively refuting the idea that it was a case of
>> "learning from the discussion and changing one's mind")
>> 
>> In any case, the list remained viable for quite some time despite Ziya'a
>> influence. It's disingenuous to suggest that's the only reason the list has
>> died, though i've no doubt it contributed in some way.
>> 
> 
> 
> Certainly, if anyone believes that SIGIA was cleared out by the posts of a
> single individual (and by common consent it seems it was only one!), then
> quite frankly there's no hope for the IA community if it has any aspirations
> to engage with the wider world!
> 
> Happily however, your assertions that he was "disagreeing with everyone
> about everything" and that the "number of messages Ziya sent overwhelmed the
> list" is a matter of public record on the list archives - so let's have a
> look:
> 
> http://www.info-arch.org/lists/sigia-l/index.php
> 
> The list search appears to be broken so it's a bit hard to tell, but I can't
> see Ziya posting any more than anyone else was around 2004 to 2008-ish.
> Dipping in to some of the threads in which he took part, I can't help
> concluding that if he hadn't been there to give people an alternate
> perspective, then the list would have become a ghost town long before.
> 
> And just for fun, here he (she?) is clearly agreeing with somebody and being
> rather interesting with it (not to say somewhat ironic in relation to our
> current conversation):
> 
> http://www.info-arch.org/lists/sigia-l/0810/0040.html
> 
> Jonathan
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