[Sigia-l] Dress Code

Sun Mar 25 14:19:04 EDT 2007

Regarding the purpose of the tie, a radical feminist I once knew told me its raisin d'etre was to point to the man's genitals.  Since then, I've never quite seen it the same way!

I do think that showing up to client meetings with smart ideas and good work makes the issue of what you're wearing rather moot.  I think there's great tolerance for unconventional modes of dress, as long as you offer something of value.

Geri

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hallo,
danke für die nachricht. ich bin vom 24.3. bis einschl. 1.4.2007 unterwegs und kann erst nach meiner rückkehr darauf reagieren. in dringenden fällen bin ich über die bekannte mobilnummer zu erreichen. 

danke & beste grüße,
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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:40:01 -0400
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Someone asked the other day if the dress code of the 90s for designers has
changed recently. Has it?

Do you go to work in jacket & tie (or whatever the equivalent for the ladies
is)? By choice or compliance? Does it make a difference if it's a client
presentation?

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Ziya

If you can't make it good, at least make it look good.

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On 3/24/07, Listera <listera at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Do you go to work in jacket & tie (or whatever the equivalent for the ladies
> is)? By choice or compliance? Does it make a difference if it's a client
> presentation?

Well, I'm at an ad agency, so jeans and jacket (no tie) are standard
for meetings; whatever I feel like otherwise. Because I'm a VP, I am
expected to look somewhat decent.

So I stopped wearing Ninja outfits. For now.

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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:43:23 -0400
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Davezilla:

> so jeans and jacket (no tie) are standard
for meetings

On what occasions (if at all) do you wear a tie then?

----
Ziya

Usability >  Simplify the Solution
Design >  Simplify the Problem

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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:42:41 +1000
From: "Andrew Boyd" <facibus at gmail.com>
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On 3/25/07, Listera <listera at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Someone asked the other day if the dress code of the 90s for designers has
> changed recently. Has it?
>
> Do you go to work in jacket & tie (or whatever the equivalent for the ladies
> is)? By choice or compliance? Does it make a difference if it's a client
> presentation?

I'm a consultant - the company I work for has a fairly loose dress
code - for men, it is:
- any colour suit you like, as long as it's black
- any colour shirt as long as it's white
- any tie you like, as long as it's structured and tasteful
- any shoes you like as long as they're black and leather

It makes the choice easy - no casual days, no jeans days, no "what tie
do I wear with that pinstripe suit" or "do I get dressed up for this
presentation" decisions. Black suit, black shoes, white shirt. Easy :)
Some of us do go a little funky with the ties and cufflinks some days,
but try to keep it within the boundaries of good taste.

It may sound like a Stockholm-syndrome/burqa defence argument, but I
seriously do appreciate the freedom that dressing like that every
working day gives me - I've always liked spending money on clothes,
and now I have a real excuse. It is also great corporate branding - we
are the Men and Women in black. Works for me :)

Cheers, Andrew

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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:43:41 -0400
From: Davezilla <davezilla at gmail.com>
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On 3/24/07, Listera <listera at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Davezilla:

> On what occasions (if at all) do you wear a tie then?

Four times I wore them to new business pitches. All four times I was
told it was too much and the tie ended up in the laptop bag. Not once
have I seen a client wear a tie to an agency meeting, either.

-- 
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Dave Linabury (Davezilla)
<http://davezilla.com>

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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 23:43:01 -0400
From: Listera <listera at earthlink.net>
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Davezilla:

> Not once
have I seen a client wear a tie to an agency meeting, either.

The other week I was talking to the owner of a company, who's never formally
dressed, supporting a tie. I asked what was up. He said he was interviewing
two creative agencies that afternoon and wanted "to throw them off and
torture them for an hour."

A decade ago, if you were in a management position, you just didn't go to a
client meeting without a tie. Is this 'progress'?

----
Ziya

Usability >  Simplify the Solution
Design >  Simplify the Problem

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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:02:06 -0700
From: "Dave Tanchak" <dtanchak at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] Dress Code
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On 3/24/07, Listera <listera at earthlink.net> wrote:

> A decade ago, if you were in a management position, you just didn't go to a
> client meeting without a tie. Is this 'progress'?

One can hope.

I think ties are stupid, personally. From a usability perspective,
they serve no purpose -- my shirt stays closed just fine without one,
provided I do up the top button ;-)

Not to mention I have a big neck and short arms, so buying shirts and
ties are a PITA. I dress how I want and justify it as being "a
creative" -- did you hire me for my skills or my wardrobe?

D.

-- 
dave.tanchak
http://www.runwithscissors.ca/

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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:10:17 -0400
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On 3/24/07, Listera <listera at earthlink.net> wrote:

> The other week I was talking to the owner of a company, who's never formally
> dressed, supporting a tie. I asked what was up. He said he was interviewing
> two creative agencies that afternoon and wanted "to throw them off and
> torture them for an hour."

LOL!

> A decade ago, if you were in a management position, you just didn't go to a
> client meeting without a tie. Is this 'progress'?

Within reason*, I think so. I say that because more types of people
are now client facing. It use to be only the Creative Directors,
Account leads and perhaps a C-level  that would meet the clients.
Lately, it's common to bring tech leads, IAs, Strategic Planners,
Street Teams, Analytics, Ethnographers, etc. The fashion ends up
looking like a Fellini movie.

*By within reason, I mean remaining respectably dressed. I've seen art
directors come in to meet clients looking like they slept in their car
all night. Conversely, I've seen a client show up trying to "look
cool" for the agency (she normally dresses quite nicely). It was
scary. Concert t-shirt with no bra, mini skirt with thong peeking out
and neon orange Crocs. Puh-leeeze.

-- 
Color me gone,
Dave Linabury (Davezilla)
<http://davezilla.com>

"We do not see things as they are, we see them as we are."? Anais Nin

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