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>    1. Re: How the design process fits into the agile methodology
>       (Victor Lombardi)
>    2. Re: How the design process fits into the agile methodology
>       (Adrian Howard)
>    3. Re: How the design process fits into the agile methodology
>       (Jonathan Baker-Bates)
>    4. Free swipr workshop in Las Vegas & Washington (Swipr Information)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:37:22 -0500
> From: Victor Lombardi <victor at victorlombardi.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] How the design process fits into the agile
> 	methodology
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> On Feb 19, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Ziya wrote:
> >
> > Victor Lombardi:
> >
> >> Agile is an approach to software development, while our focus is  
> >> the larger
> >> development of the product.
> >
> > I'm not sure agility proponents see it that way. It seems to me  
> > that agility
> > is a play to move developers from a plane of (mere) implementation  
> > higher up
> > onto the plane of ideation/creation/management, from a tactical to a
> > strategic role, subsuming several contending claims including design,
> > usability, QA, product/project management, etc.
> 
> I've seen both. The majority of people talk about concepts like  
> "design" and "customers" but this is where the confusion starts,  
> because the agilists may be referring to software design and not  
> product design, or the business client and not the end user.
> 
> The rare exception are folks like Alistair Cockburn and Jim Highsmith  
> that do a great job of explaining how agile software practices meet  
> product development and even business innovation. I highly recommend  
> this article:
> http://alistair.cockburn.us/index.php/ 
> Agile_software_development:_the_business_of_innovation
> 
> Victor
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:53:23 +0000
> From: Adrian Howard <adrianh at quietstars.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] How the design process fits into the agile
> 	methodology
> To: SIGIA-L <sigia-l at asis.org>
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> On 19 Feb 2007, at 18:37, Victor Lombardi wrote:
> 
> > I've seen both. The majority of people talk about concepts like
> > "design" and "customers" but this is where the confusion starts,
> > because the agilists may be referring to software design and not
> > product design, or the business client and not the end user.
> [snip]
> 
> "Customer", "Developer" and "Development Team" are other phrases that  
> get confusing. Since "Customer" can often translate to "group who  
> have final say on business value related decisions" and "developer"  
> can mean anybody involved with creating the product (so programmers,  
> testers, usability folk, etc.)
> 
> > The rare exception are folks like Alistair Cockburn and Jim Highsmith
> > that do a great job of explaining how agile software practices meet
> > product development and even business innovation. I highly recommend
> > this article:
> > http://alistair.cockburn.us/index.php/
> > Agile_software_development:_the_business_of_innovation
> 
> I'd also thoroughly recommend his "Agile Software Development: The  
> Cooperative Game"
> 
> Adrian
> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:51:53 -0000
> From: "Jonathan Baker-Bates" <Jonathan.Baker-Bates at lbi.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] How the design process fits into the agile
> 	methodology
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sigia-l-bounces at asis.org 
> > [mailto:sigia-l-bounces at asis.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Howard
> > Sent: 20 February 2007 09:53
> > To: SIGIA-L
> > Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] How the design process fits into the 
> > agile methodology
> > 
> > 
> > On 19 Feb 2007, at 18:37, Victor Lombardi wrote:
> > 
> > > I've seen both. The majority of people talk about concepts like 
> > > "design" and "customers" but this is where the confusion starts, 
> > > because the agilists may be referring to software design and not 
> > > product design, or the business client and not the end user.
> > [snip]
> > 
> > "Customer", "Developer" and "Development Team" are other 
> > phrases that get confusing. Since "Customer" can often 
> > translate to "group who have final say on business value 
> > related decisions" and "developer"  
> > can mean anybody involved with creating the product (so 
> > programmers, testers, usability folk, etc.)
> > 
> 
> It's worse than that. I've encountered the word "user" referring to what
> I (and I think many others on this list) would term "client." This seems
> to be mostly prevalent in old-school IT shops that have a history of
> making bespoke solutions for in-house clients who are (by definition)
> also the users of the resulting software. Hence the phrase "user
> acceptance testing" is a QA activity that has nothing to do with "user
> testing" or indeed even end users. 
> 
> This has led me to have some very confusing conversations with project
> managers and QA staff in the past.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:15:25 +0100
> From: "Swipr Information" <info at swipr.com>
> Subject: [Sigia-l] Free swipr workshop in Las Vegas & Washington
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> Hello,
> 
> As you are probably aware, the IA Summit 2007 will be held in Las
> Vegas, from the 22nd to the 26th of March
> (http://www.iasummit.org/2007/). And I will be there, attending both
> pre conference workshops and the conference itself. The IA Summit has
> been very inspiring for me over the last couple of years, and the warm
> reception of swipr?s predecessor in Austin in 2004 has been a very
> important driver for me to create swipr and make it available to the
> IA community.
> 
> (for those of you that do not yet know what swipr is: It is a Visio
> add-on that helps you to easily integrate Viso screenflows and
> multiple wireframe documents into one integrated HTML package, with
> simple prototyping features. Take a look at  www.swipr.com for more
> info and examples)
> 
> For this conference, I have proposed a free workshop to help people
> get started with swipr, but unfortunately, it was not accepted. This
> was partly because it was a proposal for a half-day pre-conference
> 
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