[spam] RE: [Sigia-l] Online card sorting tool WebSort

[Marcel van Mackelenbergh]

Wouw, what an exciting discussion this turns out to be! 

	His assessment was thoroughly correct, but nearly entirely
useless for 
	my purposes. *grin*

	After an hour and a hoagie sandwich, I had a much better sort
from him 
	complete with five categories (all of which could be mentioned
in 
	polite company.)

Torrie, others, 

How can you tell it went "much better"? How can you tell it was a
"useless" piling?

I know right is subjective but I want to know how you can tell it has
been a 'useful' grouping (categorization) of the information.

Maybe my questions seem trivial to you but they are so important to me.
I am trying not to flood this email community.

Marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: sigia-l-admin at asis.org [mailto:sigia-l-admin at asis.org] On Behalf
Of Victoria Hodgson
Sent: maandag 8 maart 2004 17:01
To: donna at maadmob.net; sigia-l at asis.org
Subject: [spam] RE: [Sigia-l] Online card sorting tool WebSort

My favorite ever card sort response:

A long-time mainframe software engineer took about 10 seconds to deal
the 40 
cards into two piles. He then pointed to each pile in turn and said,
"These 
are things I care about, and these are [expletive deleted]."

His assessment was thoroughly correct, but nearly entirely useless for
my 
purposes. *grin*

After an hour and a hoagie sandwich, I had a much better sort from him 
complete with five categories (all of which could be mentioned in polite

company.)

"Right" is so subjective.

Torrie Hodgson, MLS

>From: "Donna Maurer" <donna at maadmob.net>
>To: sigia-l at asis.org
>Subject: [spam] RE: [Sigia-l] Online card sorting tool WebSort
>
>But we're not asking users to come up with the 'right' categories. We
>should be asking them to describe why they have put things together
>in a group so that we can understand the underlying patterns and
>ideas.
>
>Donna
>
>On 6 Mar 2004 at 8:15, Marcel van Mackelenbergh wrote:
>
> > Peter,
> >
> > Whenever we create a category we should make sure people immediately
> > understand what is meant with it. For example, "car" is clear,
> > "vehicle" is less clear but also "Goldwing Valkyrie" is less clear.
> > So "clearness" is not about whether it is more or less concrete but
> > it is about understanding. Understanding or "What is clear?" of
> > course depends on your target audience.
> >
> > The point I tried to make is that creating metadata is a skill,
> > which is not learned right away. I find it very hard to come up with
> > the right categories and I am still improving myself. How can we ask
> > people, who understand less about metadata, to come up with the
> > right categories? Shouldn't we analyze our target audience, come up
> > with good requirements and then test it on our target audience?
> >
> > Cu
> >
> > Marcel
>
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