[Sigia-l] RE: IA Practice Maturation

[eric mahleb]

For the record, since i have been the one using the
terminalogy "lagging behind": I am not American. I am
European.

My criteria are very subjective indeed. And i have
admited to this in my previous mails. I am
generalizing based on my own experience. To be a bit
more precise, i have taken notice all of all the
agencies that i have encountered or dealt with in
Continental Europe, via my work or via friends, and i
have inquired as to the way they work and operate. And
in most cases, usability and IA was not a factor. In
cases where it was, yes the people were as equally
knowledgeable and were using pretty much the same
tools as their US counterparts. In addition, most
usability or IA professionals whom i have met in
Europe seem to get a lot of their knowledge from
what's coming out of the US (even if in some cases,
via Europeans living there)

I repeat. This is my own experience. For the Europeans
with different experiences, then great, continue to
share them since this was the goal of this thread.
However, there is absolutely no point in fuelling the
discussion of US vs Europe thing (and that goes for
the US side as well). It's childish and not condusive
to interesting and stimulating discussions.

cheers

BTW, i see IA as only one of many elements of User
Centered design. Does this mean that at Satama,
everyone is a User Centered Designer? Plese elaborate
on this point as i am curious as to how this works. tx



--- "Welie, Martijn van"
<martijn.van.welie at satama.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frederic Cavazza
> [mailto:frederic.cavazza at framfab.fr]
> > 
> > --anti-Americanism (they just didn't want to
> listen because it was yet
> > another instance of the US taking over the world)
> > 
> 
> As a Dutch person I can only really speak about
> Holland. I feel we have
> a strong focus on good user interface design as far
> as it is realistically
> possible in the current market context. Whether IA
> is practiced or not is
> a simple matter of teminology, we prefer to speak of
> user centered design.
> The world of HCI is already poised of illdefined
> terms anyway....
> 
> The statements in this group is about Europe
> "lagging behind" is in my
> opinion one of those typical unfounded American
> statements. In that respect
> many in this group are doing their country a favour
> by fuelling the
> anti-America feelings of Europeans. How the hell can
> you compare whether
> Europe "lags behind" in terms of IA 
> practice????? What are the criteria for such
> comparisons???? 
> 
> I would rather prefer this group to be concerned
> with solutions to the
> day to day problems we are facing in our work,
> rather than making unfounded
> and discriminating comparisons.
> 
> Martijn
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