[Sigmet-officers] Dick – please clarify

Sat Dec 3 10:52:29 EST 2011

Dear All:

Unfortunately, I do not think any sanctions can be taken against Gretchen,
as she is the creator/moderator/etc. of this listserv. While she has kept
this listserv alive for a long time, and should be thanked for this
service, I do not think it is wise for us to continue to place this
valuable communication vehicle in the hands of someone who would so quickly
"kill" it. This level of volatility is dangerous to have with something
that is associated with our professional association. I agree that this
needs to be handled with delicacy and I think Judit's suggestions are
certainly reasonable. However, I would vote for an end result of
transferring the listserv to ASIS&T, to be maintained on the ASIS&T
servers. We can try to make this transition as seamless as possible,
although we will definitely lose some members of the listserv in the
transfer.

Cassidy

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net> wrote:

>  *Dear Dick and SIG/MET officers,*
> * *
> *I agree with Judit that the situation is very delicate.  I am willing to
> play an active role in this matter*
> *Gretchen has written “I am mulling over if I am willing to let you have
> the archives” and “I'll kill SIGMET at the end of this calendar year.”  Before
> I contact Gretchen, I am asking Dick to please clarify: (a) what measures
> can ASIST take to prevent a member (or former member) destroying
> intellectual property belonging to ASIST and (b) what punitive measures can
> ASIST take against Gretchen or her university if she puts into affect her
> threat to destroy intellectual property belonging to ASIST?   *
> * *
> *Best,*
> *Jonathan.*
>
>   *From:* Judit Bar-Ilan <barilaj at mail.biu.ac.il>
> *To:* "sigmet-officers at asis.org" <sigmet-officers at asis.org>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2011 8:13 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Sigmet-officers] SIGMETRICS list
>
> Dear All,
>
> This is a very delicate situation. Of course we do not want the SIGMETRICS
> list to discontinue. It is rather hard to follow the discussion thread.
>
> On January 4, 2011 Gretchen agreed to continue to moderate the list.
>
> Previously, on December 24, 2010 she wrote (if I understand correctly):
> I would let the new SIG do their things their way. I will close  down
> SIGMET the end of the fiscal year, which will give them ample  opportunity
> to figure out how to resolve communications.
> I'm more than willing to let you have the subscribers names. I am mulling
> over if I am willing to let you have the archives… I'm leaning to have you
> have them as > long as you can preserve them as my work of art and my
> creation.
>
> She made negative remarks about Twitter and Facebook last year as well.
>
> I think that it is best that Jonathan approached her, thanking her and
> reminding her of her email of January 4, and assuring her that nothing
> changed since; we view the SIGMETRICS list as a most valuable list where
> SIG/MET members and non SIG/MET members conduct serious metrics
> discussions. We ask her again to continue to moderate the list. Also,
> explain that we have never asked to change anything; we only wanted to have
> a direct link from ASIST to the SIGMETRICS list. I think that cc-ing Dick
> on this would be a good idea. And of course cc-ing Stasa.
>
> Now from our website we link to
> http://web.utk.edu/~gwhitney/sigmetrics.html, which says that this is a
> virtual special interest group (but this page is not maintained by
> Gretchen, so we might not be able to change this).  Btw, I see that our
> page was updated on http://www.asis.org/SIG/met.html, but the information
> on http://www.asis.org/SIG/SIGMET/ is outdated.
>
> Let us hope for the best. In the meantime we should look for new options
> as well, because this is already the second time Gretchen announced that
> she will close down the list.
>
> Regards,
> Judit
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 8:51 AM, sigmet-officers-request at asis.org <
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>   1. Fwd: RE: SIGMETRICS mailing list (Stasa Milojevic)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 22:29:00 -0500
> From: Stasa Milojevic <smilojev at indiana.edu>
> Subject: [Sigmet-officers] Fwd: RE: SIGMETRICS mailing list
> To: sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org
> Cc: rhill at asis.org
> Message-ID: <4ED9977C.7080402 at indiana.edu>
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>  Dear all,
>
> I am forwarding you email threads that ensued after I had asked to have
> a link that directs to the SIGMETRICS list subscription info from the
> ASIST SIG Metrics website.
>
> This request (which was honored by Jan and Dick) has, however, triggered
> some negative response from Dr. Whitney, who now announces that she will
> be shutting down the list. I know that Dietmar asked Gretchen to
> continue to maintain the mailing list at UTK when we stopped being a
> virtual SIG, but, to my knowledge, she never responded to his email.
>
> I most certainly do not see any reason not to continue using the current
> list and servers at UTK.
>
> Does anyone know whether any arrangements were made with Gretchen in the
> end, and also can a moderator terminate the SIG list without first
> making sure that it is seamlessly transferred to another server (if
> needed)?
>
>
> Best,
> Stasa
>
>
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> Bar-Ilan University, Ramat Gan, 52900, Israel
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Cassidy R. Sugimoto, PhD
Assistant Professor
School of Library and Information Science
Indiana University Bloomington
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