[Asis-standards] ISO/IEC FDIS 17024, Conformity assessment - General requirements for bodies operating certification of persons

[McGarry, Dorothy]

Given your comments, Mark, and looking quickly at the document, I agree with the NO vote.
Dorothy

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Subject: Re: [Asis-standards] ISO/IEC FDIS 17024, Conformity assessment - General requirements for bodies operating certification of persons

I agree that we should vote NO.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Thornburg,Gail <thornbug at oclc.org> wrote:

> Mark,
> I do not think we should vote Yes on this one.
>
> Gail
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:asis-standards-bounces at asis.org] On Behalf Of Mark Needleman
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:33 PM
> To: asis-standards at asis.org
> Subject: [Asis-standards] ISO/IEC FDIS 17024, Conformity assessment - 
> General requirements for bodies operating certification of persons
>
> Here is another standard - this one has a short turn around time so I 
> need comments by Monday 4/30 in the morning
>
>
> This is another one of ISO non standard standards - it has a lot of 
> apple pie and Motherhood statements but really doesnt go beyond 
> generalities to specifics - and doesnt define any mechanism for 
> enforcing any of the rules it stipulates
>
> For example - one statement says
>
> When a certification body certifies a person it employs,  the 
> certification body shall adopt procedures to maintain impartiality
>
> All well and nice - but of course it doesnt define what those 
> procedures
>
> should be - or any mechanism for checking that impartiality was 
> maintained - or even what impartiality is
>
> in the definition of impartiality (in the definitions section) it 
> defines impartiality as
>
> presence of objectivity
>
> with some notes that say
>
> NOTE 1 Objectivity means that conflicts of interest do not exist, or 
> are
>
> resolved, so as not to adversely influence subsequent activities of 
> the certification body
>
> NOTE 2 Other terms that are useful in conveying the element of 
> impartiality are: independence, freedom from conflict of interests, 
> freedom from bias, lack of prejudice, neutrality, fairness, 
> open-mindedness, even-handedness, detachment, balance.
>
> im tired of all these crappy documents that are coming out of ISO - 
> but Im also given up on fighting it so Im tempted to vote YES just 
> because its easier
>
> But Im open to other suggestions
>
> Ive attached the document to this note
>
> mark
>
>
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