Ranking Web (Webometrics) of Universities

[Jean-Claude Guédon]

Dear Isidro,

What I was trying to say is that the French, for one reason or another,
have moved toward a central repository.

There has been some resistance to HAL and your examples illustrate this.

My point is not being for or against HAL; my point is that the presence
of HAL seems to create an artefactual result that should be corrected.

Best regards,

Jean-Claude Guédon



Le samedi 01 septembre 2012 à 10:35 +0200, Isidro F. Aguillo a écrit :

> Dear Jean-Claude,
> 
> I can not say anything about intentions because I do not know the
> policies involved. But I can talk about facts and these are very
> simple:
> 
> - HAL is developing both a central repository and helping in the
> development of institutional repositories. It is a welcomed initiative
> as provide both technical expertise and funding support and from a
> political point of view is reinforcing OA agenda in France.
> 
> - When referring to the institutional repositories there are
> universities who claim their "moral rights" to the papers authored by
> their members and use the institutional web domain of the university
> like for example:
> 
> HAL Université Pierre et Marie Curie    http://hal.upmc.fr/
> HAL Université de Bretagne Occidentale    http://hal.univ-brest.fr/
> 
> and others (like the ones I cited in previous messages) that not.
> 
> I am not against HAL, just on the contrary, but remember the serious
> problems we have in bibliometrics correctly assigning affiliations
> from signatures in papers. Also consider that many rectors are giving
> instructions for standardizing they way the affiliations are used. So,
> why a so important resource is forgotten?
> 
> Best,
> 
> Quoting Jean-Claude Guédon:
> 
> > Adminstrative info for SIGMETRICS (for example unsubscribe):
> > http://web.utk.edu/~gwhitney/sigmetrics.html
> >
> > But the French choice was to create a central repository for the
> whole
> > country. This is what HAL is all about.
> >
> > A ranking system should be able to correct for the effects of such a
> > policy. There was no "surrendering in this case", just a choice to
> > create a one-stop entry into French OA literature.
> >
> > Jean-Claude Guédon
> >
> >
> >
> > Le vendredi 31 août 2012 à 11:02 +0200, Isidro F. Aguillo a écrit :
> >
> >> Adminstrative info for SIGMETRICS (for example unsubscribe):
> >> http://web.utk.edu/~gwhitney/sigmetrics.html
> >>
> >> El 31/08/2012 10:31, Clement Levallois escribió:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Adminstrative info for SIGMETRICS (for example unsubscribe):
> >> > http://web.utk.edu/~gwhitney/sigmetrics.html
> >> >
> >> > Interesting!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > In the ranking for Europe, not a single French university in the
> 100
> >> > first? Wow.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > (see
> >> > here:
> http://www.webometrics.info/en/Ranking_Europe/European_Union)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Clement
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > Clement Levallois, PhD
> >> > Erasmus University Rotterdam
> >> > The Netherlands
> >> >
> >> > pro website / personal website
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > twitter and skype: @seinecle
> >> > Discover the NESSHI project: http://www.nesshi.eu
> >> >
> >>
> >> Dear all:
> >>
> >> You can check the Excellence indicator (papers in the 10% top
> cited)
> >> that Paris 6 is 28th and Paris XI is 98th so the reasons for the
> >> delayed ranks are related to the web presence. Language is an
> >> important issue as English-speaking countries are clearly
> >> over-represented but it is not the only reason. Perhaps interesting
> to
> >> this list is that the commitment to open access is limited. You can
> >> check the performance of the French university repositories here:
> >>
> >> http://repositories.webometrics.info/en/Europe/France
> >>
> >> It is very surprising that in some cases they have surrendered
> their
> >> own web domains in their "institutional" repositories. A few
> examples:
> >>
> >> École Polytechnique
> http://hal-polytechnique.archives-ouvertes.fr/
> >> Université Paris 1 Panthéon Sorbonne
> >> http://hal-paris1.archives-ouvertes.fr/
> >> École Mines ParisTech    http://hal-ensmp.archives-ouvertes.fr/
> >> Université de Nice Sophia Antipolis
> >> http://hal-unice.archives-ouvertes.fr/
> >>
> >> Of course this practice is penalizing their position in the
> Ranking.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> ****************************
> >>
> >> Isidro F. Aguillo, HonDr.
> >> The Cybermetrics Lab, CSIC
> >> Madrid. SPAIN
> >>
> >> isidro.aguillo at cchs.csic.es
> >>
> >> ****************************
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> Isidro F. Aguillo, HonPhD
> Cybermetrics Lab (3C1). CCHS - CSIC
> Albasanz, 26-28. 28037 Madrid. Spain
> 
> isidro.aguillo @ cchs.csic.es
> www. webometrics.info
> 
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