Moed, Henk (ELS-AMS)
H.Moed at ELSEVIER.COM
Thu Apr 12 06:56:59 EDT 2012
Thank you for your comment on indexing in Google Scholar. There appears
to be serious misunderstanding in your communication which we would like
to correct. Elsevier allows Google, Google Scholar and Microsoft
Academic Search (and other search engines) to index the full text on
ScienceDirect (SD) (referred to also as deep indexing). We have an
agreement in place with these search engines and have even set up
special processes to facilitate indexing to ensure completeness and
provide structure metadata to ensure accurate search results.
That said, there is clearly a potential for confusion in the policy
wording that you came across and we are currently looking to clarify
that to prevent further misunderstanding. We thank you for bringing it
to our attention.
Henk F. Moed
Senior Scientific Advisor
Amsterdam, The Netherlands
From: ASIS&T Special Interest Group on Metrics
[mailto:SIGMETRICS at LISTSERV.UTK.EDU] On Behalf Of Stephen J. Bensman
Sent: 11 April 2012 17:00
To: SIGMETRICS at LISTSERV.UTK.EDU
Subject: Re: [SIGMETRICS] Open access?
Thank you for the Guardian articles on Elsevier. I would like to add
some observations of my own on this matter. Elsevier runs a good
operation and publishes important materials. I work with their support
people and find them informative and helpful. But Elsevier has always
been non-cooperative, tries to force people to operate within its
system, and monopolizes its materials to maximize its profit. This is
the nature of the beast.
This tendency has recently had extremely negative consequences.
Since November, 2004, the field of scientometric evaluative data has
been been in a state of revolution. In that month Elsevier launched
Scopus, and Google launched Google Scholar, breaking the monopolistic
hold Thompson Reuters ISI had on evaluative scientometric data. Since
then there has been a Hobbesian battle among these three titans,
because--if I am correct--production and control of such data is very
profitable. Such data is particularly needed in Europe and other
where science and universities are funded by the central governments,
which need such data for allocation decisions. Thompson Reuters ISI
(The Empire) has struck back by abandoning its long-standing policy of
relying on mainly journals and launching its Book Citation Index.
Google Scholar was really too difficult to use for evaluative purposes,
but this has changed with the launching of the Publish or Perish
program by Anne-Wil Harzing. This program can be retrieved for free
from her Web site at http://www.harzing.com/. It is revolutionary in
that it establishes effective statistical and bibliographic control over
Google Scholar, making it feasible to use it for evaluative purposes. I
am doing research with others to test the vaiidity of using Google
Scholar for evaluative purposes, using data which Anne-Wil has
graciously given me with her program. It is the most stupendous and
interesting data set I have ever worked with. However, in doing this
research, I came across this statement on Elsevier's SciVerse Web site
at the following URL:
If one knows anything how Web seach engines operate, it is quite
obvious that this is a knife aimed by Elsevier at Google's jugular,
blocking it from indexing the publications of one of the leading
publishers of scientific materials. Since I working with chemistry, I
going to have to check what effect this has on Google Scholar.
Fortunately Anne-Wil's data allows me to determine from where Google
Scholar is retrieving its data. The only question I have is whether
is an advantageous or self-destructive move on the part of Elsevier,
whose publications and authors will be rated lower by Google Scholar,
which can be utilized without cost by cash-strapped institutions.
Stephen J. Bensman, Ph.D.
Louisiana State University
Baton Rouge, LA 70803
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