[Sigmet-officers] Debate
Jonathan Levitt
jonathan at levitt.net
Sun Jan 23 09:28:25 EST 2011
Dear all,
Stasa and Dietmar raise some interesting points that seem to lead to the following questions:
(1) Whether to have a Webmar debate a Webmar tutorial or both?
(2) Whether to choose topics for Webmar debates or tutorials on the basis of outside feedback?
(3) Whether to choose topics for panels on the basis of outside feedback?
Regarding (1), my impression is that a debate may be more attractive to practitioners and a tutorial more attractive to those with a more amateur interest in informetrics. One possibility is to a hold a Webmar debate in April and a Webmar tutorial closer to the annual meeting and for the tutorial to be related to any workshop or panel session we will be holding at the annual meeting.
Regarding (2), I am very happy for any SIGH MET officer to obtain feedback at the iConference on our choice of topics for Webmar debates and/or tutorials. I think we have considerable flexibility as regards the choice of topics for Webmars as I don’t expect permission for Webmars to be subject to peer review. According to the Workshop program
(https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/dwolfram/www/iconference/workshop.htm) Dietmar, Judit and Angela all have papers at the workshop to which Dietmar refers; according to the iConference program
(http://www.ischools.org/iConference10/program)
Judit is also has a paper at Paper Session 6. So hopefully t should be ample opportunity to obtain feedback on possible topics.
Regarding (3), I don’t think we have a great deal of flexibility for choosing the topics of panels. Last year I was given a panel proposal to review, so if ASIST persists with the same approach it seems important to select a panel topic for which we have particularly strong prospects of being accepted. As I expect that panel proposals are again going to be subject to peer review, I have suggested a topic that definitely falls within one of the tracks, for which it should be possible to attract several illustrious panel members, and on which I have varied research experience,.
By the way has the topic of the Workshop been crystallised? If not, does Cassidy want to use the iConference for feedback on the possible topic for the Workshop?
Best regards,
Jonathan.
--- On Sat, 22/1/11, Dietmar Wolfram <dwolfram at uwm.edu> wrote:
From: Dietmar Wolfram <dwolfram at uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Debate
To: sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org
Date: Saturday, 22 January, 2011, 2:11
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Hello all,
Stasa, Judit and I will be attending the half-day workshop on scholarly communication and informetrics at the iConference in a couple weeks. Perhaps we could ask the workshop attendees what types of topics they would like to see presented in a webinar or panel on metrics.
Dietmar
From: "Stasa Milojevic" <smilojev at indiana.edu>
To: sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 1:28:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Debate
Dear all,
I know that we initially proposed a debate, but having recently listened/attended a Webinar on the Introduction to Information Architecture, I thought we may do something similar on a topic we decided would be of interest. For example, we may do "An introduction to Webometrics", or any other topic that Jonathan proposed (university rankings, citation indicators,...). This type of Webinar is done by a single person considered to be an expert in the field.
Best regards,
Stasa
On 1/19/11 6:53 AM, Jonathan Levitt wrote:
Dear all,
Thanks Cassidy and Judit for your helpful feedback. You discuss two topics: (a) the Webmar and (b) the panel. In this email I will deal with the first topic, and start a separate thread for the second topic.
Regarding the Crown indicator, I attended the session at the 2010 Science and Technology conference to which Judit refers. I agree that the exchange was intense, but the exchange between at them at 2008 Science and Technology conference workshop was lively but less intense. Perhaps the difference this time may have stemmed from Loet feeling that the session chair (a colleague of Ton) did not give him enough opportunity to express his criticisms of the Crown Indicator. This leads to what I consider to be the problem with a debate that focuses on the Crown Indicator: I am averse to omitting either Loet or someone from CWTS from a debate focusing on the Crown indicator and pairing Loet with someone from CWTS could put the Moderator in a difficult position. Give the wealth of other topics that could be debated (some of which I present in the next paragraph), I suggest that we steer clear of a debate that focuses on the Crown indicator.
As regards other possible topics for Webmar debate, in citation analysis alone there are many topics that could produce an interesting debate. For example: (a) university rankings, (b) citation indicators, (c) mapping of science and (d) citation databases. In addition, SIG MET debates could topics outside of to citation analysis in our remit (e.g., Webmetrics). My current thinking is to go with ‘(a)’ for this year and ask someone from Leuven (e.g. Glanzel) and someone from Leiden (e.g., Van Raan). This way both the Leiden and Leuven ranking systems would be represented. What do you think?
Best regards,
Jonathan.
--- On Tue, 18/1/11, Cassidy Sugimoto <cassidysugimoto at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Cassidy Sugimoto <cassidysugimoto at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Debate
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Date: Tuesday, 18 January, 2011, 18:42
This is a good point--we want the debate to be lively and spirited, but not acerbic. Can we think of another good pairing for a clean joust?
It was my understanding we would have a webinar this Spring and propose a panel for the AM (as well as a workshop as a pre-con).
Cassidy
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:07 AM, Judit Bar-Ilan <barilaj at mail.biu.ac.il> wrote:
Dear All,
Having Loet Leydesdorff and Tony Van Raan in a debate is not the best idea. There was a rather bitter exchange between them at the Leiden S&T Conference this September. It was rather unpleasant for the the conference participants.
Also we should decide whether we are planning a Webinar or a panel for the next meeting. The Crown indicator and the new indicator developed in Leiden is used for university rankings. This is a highly controversial issue with quite a number of rankings being around. We could include this topic in the webinar, if you think that discussing indicators is too narrow.
Best regards,
Judit
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Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Planning the Web-site
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Hi Angela,
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Could you please send this list your draft of the contents of the Web-site within the next few days, so that we can keep to our target of uploading the Web-site by the end of this month?
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Many thanks,
Jonathan.
--- On Fri, 7/1/11, Cassidy Sugimoto <cassidysugimoto at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Cassidy Sugimoto <cassidysugimoto at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Planning the Web-site
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Date: Friday, 7 January, 2011, 22:58
This all looks great!? We will also host a copy of the webinar on this website?? Will we post the call for the workshop here as well?
Cassidy
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net> wrote:
Hi all,
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Thanks Stasa for added Angela to the listserv and for helping her catch up.
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Thanks Angela for your message and attachment.? Your comparison of other SIGs and suggestions for SIG/MET provide a very useful platform from which to plan the Web-site.? I am very happy to be involved with the planning.
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In other to involve others, I present my feedback on Angela?s message in the attached.? As always, anyone on this listserve is very welcome to comment or suggest changes.? I have used track changes, as this format is more accessible to me.
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Best regards,
Jonathan.
--- On Tue, 21/12/10, Angela Zoss <amzoss at indiana.edu> wrote:
From: Angela Zoss <amzoss at indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Planning the Web-site
To: sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org
Date: Tuesday, 21 December, 2010, 5:02
Hi everyone,
Sorry I've missed some of these messages!? Stasa realized I hadn't been added to the listserv and has helped me catch up on what's been going on.
I would love any/all help planning the website and was just preparing something to send out to stimulate discussion.? I've attached a quick review of what the other SIG websites currently contain, crudely coded.? (Feel free to ask for clarification if any of the categories are unclear.)? I added a column for SIG/MET and proposed a few categories that we may want to include, but upper level organization is very flexible, and there may be many more elements we'd want to incorporate.? I just thought this might help to get the discussion going.? Perhaps once we identify the basic components of the website we can collaborate on the content that will be used and the organization/interface design.
Thanks!
-Angela
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Stasa Milojevic <smilojev at indiana.edu> wrote:
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Hi all,
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I did not receive any suggested changes to my planned activities for the year, so I have decided to press on with the activities for December and January.?
Dec: Complete activities relating to starting the SIG.
Dec: Plan the SIG Web-site.
Jan: Prepare and upload the SIG Web site.
Jan: Set-up and advertise the student paper contest.
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Thanks to the substantial help from Dietmar and Cassidy, most of the activities relating to starting the SIG have been completed.??? So our largest task at present is planning, preparing and uploading the SIG Web-site.? I suggest that all officers contribute to the planning and preparation of content of the Web-site, as this reduces the workload on Angela who has agreed to be both Webmaster and Communications Officer.? Could all officers please post their suggestions regarding the Web-site to this list?
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Please note that the officers? list requires moderator intervention for postings over 40K, and that Word 2007 documents are typically about half the size of Word 2003 documents.? So in order to avoid unnecessary work for our moderator, I suggest that you post attachments in Word 2007 format.? I would like to thank Sta?a for having agreed to moderate the officers? list and for having approved my posting of over 40K.
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Best regards,
Jonathan.
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Hi Chaoqun,
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Could you please draft your initial suggestions for the paper contest?? You may find it helpful to look at other paper contests (e.g., SIG III).
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Hi all,
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Cassidy has suggested starting work on the WebMar deabate earlier than I had proposed.
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I think we need to agree on the topic, possible speakers and moderator.? According to notes from the 2010 meeting ?A possibility for the debate topic was Crown indicators.? This debate would have two speakers and one moderator and would be streamed live for the ASIS&T audience.?? I suggest that we modify the topic to ?Crown and alternative indicators?.? This way it allows speakers to suggest and discuss alternatives.? As regards speakers, I think it a good idea to have someone who opposes the Crown (e.g., Leydesdorff) and someone who helped develop it (e.g. Van Raan, Moed).? ?What do you think?
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I would personally love to see a Leydesdeoff and Van Raan debate (and I
think I would not be alone here). Do you think that identifying Crown
indicators is too specific (even with the mention of "alternative
indicators")? Another idea that was floated at the AM was the idea of
debating citation metrics vs. usage metrics or other web-based metrics.
However, I could imagine this as a panel at the AM (rather than a debate)
with White (or another Drexel-ite), Leydesdorff, Thelwall (or our very own
Jonathan!), and Bollen.
The current pricing structure that has been discussed by the board for
webinars is free for members at $49 for non-ASIS&T members. However, some
webinars have been putting a small member charge ($10-$20) if the speakers
require any funding.
Cassidy
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net>wrote:
> *Hi all,*
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> * *
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> *Cassidy has suggested starting work on the WebMar deabate earlier than I
> had proposed. *
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> * *
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> *I think we need to agree on the topic, possible speakers and moderator. According
> to notes from the 2010 meeting ?A possibility for the debate topic was Crown
> indicators. This debate would have two speakers and one moderator and
> would be streamed live for the ASIS&T audience.? I suggest that we modify
> the topic to ?Crown and alternative indicators?. This way it allows
> speakers to suggest and discuss alternatives. As regards speakers, I
> think it a good idea to have someone who opposes the Crown (e.g.,
> Leydesdorff) and someone who helped develop it (e.g. Van Raan, Moed). What
> do you think?*
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> * *
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> *Best regards,*
>
> *Jonathan.*
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