[Sigmet-officers] Webmar debate: topic and speakers

Sun Aug 14 14:42:54 EDT 2011

A few thoughts: my own impression is echoed in the response by the two
people you approached--"visualization" is a huge topic and must be narrowed.
Also, the concept of "visualization" does not lend itself to a debate as
originally planned. However, this might be suitable for a nice introductory
webinar with one individual speaking, rather than multiple. Looking over the
revenue generated by previous ASIS&T webinars, it seems that the intro to IA
was one of the most popular. Perhaps we could frame this as "An Intro to
science mapping: tools, techniques and data sources"? Would it be possible
to find a single speaker to do this? I could image this being both popular
and revenue generating. I see a panel or debate on this topic less fruitful.

Cassidy

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net>wrote:

> *
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> I emailed Katy Borner, Kevin Boyack and Loet Leydesdorff enquiring whether
> they were interested in speaking on a Webmar on visualization, and inviting
> them to suggest suitable topics and speakers for such a debate.  Kevin and
> Loet replied (contents pasted below).
>
>
>
> From their feedback, I infer:
>
> (a)       A Webmar on visualization would benefit from including Chaomei
> Chen (in addition to Katy, Kevin and Loet).
>
> (b)      Different people (e.g., Katy and Kevin) specialize in very
> different aspects of visualization, so in order to get a wide spectrum of
> specialists on board we need to allow the speakers considerable freedom in
> the content of their presentation.
>
>
>
> Based on previous correspondence, I suggest:
>
> Time of day: 2 p.m. EST.
>
> Date of week: Friday.
>
> Month: September or October, on a date that suits Dietmar and the speakers.
>
> Speakers: Preferably one from Europe and ne from North America.
>
> Cost: About $15 for students, members of ASIST, members or ISSI; $49 for
> others.
>
> Moderator: Dietmar has agreed to moderate.
>
> Topic: Visualization.
>
> Format: On July 26, I wrote that the format is still to be decided adding
> “I welcome suggestions from the officers … on other matters such as the
> format.”  As I have not received any feedback regarding format, I suggest
> that Dietmar asks the potential speakers for their input on the format.  One
> possible format is:
>
> (a)       Introduction of the speakers by the moderator.
>
> (b)      Presentations by three or four speakers on topics that may be of
> interest.
>
> (c)       A questions and answers session.
>
>
>
> In order to take things forward I suggest that Dietmar, the moderato of
> this Webmar, formally invites Chaomei Chen, Katy Borner, Kevin Boyack and
> Loet Leydesdorff to participate in a Webmar on visualization and seeks to
> finalize dates, format and content that suits as many potential speakers as
> possible.  As I think we should press on with the Webmar, if you do not
> agree with this suggestion, could you please let the list know by Sunday.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Jonathan.
>
>
>
> Response from Kevin Boyack
>
>
>
> Hi Jonathon,
>
>
>
> I would also like to find out more about what you mean by "visualization".
> What definition of visualization will this debate be based upon? To most
> people, visualization is the end product - the actual visual. To me,
> visualization is all about the process of classification, similarity, etc. -
> the processing that enables a meaningful visual representation of the data.
> The visual at the end is important, but to me is just the final step in a
> multi-step process.
>
>
>
> Your second question, about aspects of visualization, makes me think this
> debate is about the visuals rather than the process. If that is the case,
> then I'm not really the right person for this debate. There are aspects
> around color, shape, visual design, cognition, etc. that are actual
> visualization aspects. I know very little about those things.
>
>
>
> I would suggest that you talk to Katy Borner about this. She is very
> qualified, and is more interested in the actual visuals and aspects of
> visualization than am I. Chaomei Chen should also be consulted - he is,
> after all, the editor of the Information Visualization journal, and would
> certainly be able to suggest others.
>
>
>
> If the basis of this debate will be the larger process, then I would be
> happy to participate if it does not conflict with my schedule.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
> Response from Loet Leydesdorff
>
>
>
> Dear Jonathan,
>
>
>
> I apologize for not attending the meeting. It must have slipped my mind.
>
>
>
> 1. Yes, it seems nice to me to discuss online visualization issues with our
> colleagues. I have a preference for an email list because then one can
> contribute at one's own time and speed.
>
>
>
> 2. Katy Borner used one of my visualization for the exhibits:
>
> “The Emergence of Nanotechnology”, Places & Spaces: Mapping Science
> Exhibit; launched at Nov 16-17, Royal Society Global Science Report Launch
> Conference, Kavli Royal Society International Center, London, England (David
>
> Stilgoe and Katy Börner); online at
>
> http://scimaps.org/maps/map/the_emergence_of_nan_121/
>
>
>
> It is based on the animation at
>
> http://www.leydesdorff.net/journals/nanotech/ .
>
>
>
> Thank you for keeping me posted.
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Loet
>
> *
>
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 1/8/11, Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net>
> Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Webmar debate: topic and speakers
>
> To: "SIG/MET" <sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org>
> Date: Monday, 1 August, 2011, 8:07
>
>
>    *Dear all,*
>
> * *
>
> *Thanks Judit and Cassidy for your feedback.  Faced with the divergent
> perspectives, I have decided to follow my own judgment and pursue
> visualization.  However, out of fairness to Cassidy, I present my response
> to her feedback.*
>
> * *
>
> *Cassidy wrote “I don't think we should abandon this topic before we've
> had true brainstorming on it.”  SIG/MET is not abandoning your suggestion,
> just not using it this time (as we are short of time and must settle on a
> topic soon if I am to keep to my schedule for the SIG).  We have allowed
> plenty of time fort brainstorming.  Cassidy, Ronald and I spent about 15
> minutes discussing the topic and, as Cassidy wrote in her notes, “The topic
> that received the most discussion was expanding on Eric Archambault’s
> criticisms of Jonathan Adam’s Book Citation Index presentation.  We
> discussed approaching Eric Archambault to do the con, but could not think of
> anyone to do the pro.”  In addition, Cassidy has had three further weeks
> to provide convincing evidence in support of her suggestion.  Cassidy
> provides a list of people who have “talked about humanities research and who
> use ISI”; in my judgment it would devalue our webmar to not insist on more
> stringent selection criteria than speakers having “talked about humanities
> research and who use ISI.”  *
>
> * *
>
> *Cassidy wrote “While I'm willing to do a webinar on visualization, I
> think we will have a much broader audience on the topic of the Book Citation
> Index.”  In view of Cassidy’s concerns that  visualization may not be of
> sufficient interest, I suggest that I contact at least one expert in
> visualization, such as Katy Börner, for feedback on aspects of visualization
> that  are suitable for a SIG/MET webmar.  I plan to do this tomorrow, so
> if any officer wants to have some input on this plan of action, could you
> please respond today. *
>
> * *
>
> *Best,*
>
> *Jonathan.*
>
> --- On *Sun, 31/7/11, Cassidy Sugimoto <cassidysugimoto at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Cassidy Sugimoto <cassidysugimoto at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Webmar debate: topic and speakers
> To: "Jonathan Levitt" <jonathan at levitt.net>
> Cc: "SIG/MET" <sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org>
> Date: Sunday, 31 July, 2011, 14:11
>
> Dear all:
>
> While I'm willing to do a webinar on visualization, I think we will have a
> much broader audience on the topic of the Book Citation Index as this is a
> new thing and very interesting to not only scientometricians, but also
> librarians, policy makers, and humanities scholars. It should not be
> difficult to come up with a name of someone who uses ISI products for
> research and who can speak to the benefit of them (what would most of us be
> doing without the Web of Science?). Some names that come to mind (people who
> have talked about humanities research and who use ISI):
>
> Howard White
> Kate McCain
> Bjorn Hammarfelt
> Dana Hicks
> Alan Porter
> Loet Leydesdorff
> Vincent Lariviere
>
> The list is much longer, but this is a start. I don't think we should
> abandon this topic before we've had true brainstorming on it.
>
> Best,
> Cassidy
>
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net<http://uk.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jonathan@levitt.net>
> > wrote:
>
>   *Dear all,*
>
> *** ***
>
> *Following on from my posting, Cassidy wrote “I think it would be nice to
> have Jonathan do a 5 minute introduction to the topic, but not represent the
> pro as he represents a commercial interest.” The topic, suggested by
> Cassidy, is not related to my research and I attended neither Jonathan
> Adams’ talk nor Eric’s response; in addition, as we should arrange speakers
> ASAP, it is not a good idea to have a topic on which we are struggling to
> find even two speakers that we consider suitable. *
>
> *** ***
>
> *Under these circumstances, I propose switching to a topic on which there
> are several suitable speakers including more than one from North America.
>  How about some aspect of visualization?  If you agree to this topic, I
> will approach potential speakers.*
>
> *** ***
>
> *Best,*
>
> *Jonathan.*
>
>
> --- On *Sat, 30/7/11, Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net<http://uk.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jonathan@levitt.net>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net<http://uk.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jonathan@levitt.net>
> >
> Subject: [Sigmet-officers] Webmar debate: topic and speakers
>
> To: "SIG/MET" <sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org<http://uk.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sigmet-officers@mail.asis.org>
> >
> Date: Saturday, 30 July, 2011, 20:20
>
>    *Dear all,*
>
> * *
>
> *Following on from my previous email on this topic, to me the priority is
> to settle on topic and speakers.  *
>
> * *
>
> *In her useful notes, Cassidy wrote “The topic that received the most
> discussion was expanding on Eric Archambault’s criticisms of Jonathan Adam’s
> Book Citation Index presentation … We discussed approaching Eric Archambault
> to do the con, but could not think of anyone to do the pro.”  How about
> Jonathan providing the pro; after all Jonathan is the person who gave the
> Book Citation Index presentation?  Could you please give feedback soon, so
> that I can take things forward by either approach Eric and Jonathan or
> pursuing a different topic?*
>
> * *
>
> *Best,*
>
> *Jonathan.*
>
> --- On *Tue, 26/7/11, Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net<http://uk.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jonathan@levitt.net>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Jonathan Levitt <jonathan at levitt.net<http://uk.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jonathan@levitt.net>
> >
> Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Webmar debate
> To: "SIG/MET" <sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org<http://uk.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sigmet-officers@mail.asis.org>
> >
> Date: Tuesday, 26 July, 2011, 9:40
>
>    *Dear all,*
>
> * *
>
> *Thanks for your very helpful feedback.  On the basis of the feedback I
> suggest the following revised proposal:*
>
> *Time of day: 2 p.m. EST.*
>
> *Date of week: Friday.*
>
> *Month: September, but not September 24 (overlaps with Collnet).*
>
> *Speakers: Preferably one from Europe and ne from North America. *
>
> *Cost: About $15 for students, members of ASIST, members or ISSI; $49 for
> others.*
>
> *Moderator: Dietma has agreed to moderate; thanks very much.*
>
> * *
>
> *Judit asked whether the people I mentioned have agreed to participate;
> no, I have not approached anyone about the possibility of speaking so we are
> free to select speakers. *
>
> * *
>
> *Stasa asked about the format; this is still to be decided.  I would be
> pleased to build on Cassidy’s experiences with SIG/ED:  For example, what
> format was used and what changes she would recommend.  Also, it could be
> useful to know how many paid $49.*
>
> * *
>
> *Cassidy thanks for providing your notes from the ISSI meeting.  They are
> very helpful and I fully understand about the delay.  You wrote “We
> decided to wait and ask other SIG/MET officers for their opinions”; I
> welcome suggestions from the officers not only on the topic, but on other
> matters such as the format.*
>
> * *
>
> *Best,*
>
> *Jonathan.*
>
> --- On *Fri, 22/7/11, Dietmar Wolfram <dwolfram at uwm.edu<http://uk.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dwolfram@uwm.edu>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Dietmar Wolfram <dwolfram at uwm.edu<http://uk.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dwolfram@uwm.edu>
> >
> Subject: Re: [Sigmet-officers] Webmar debate
> To: "Cassidy Sugimoto" <cassidysugimoto at gmail.com<http://uk.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cassidysugimoto@gmail.com>
> >
> Cc: sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org<http://uk.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sigmet-officers@mail.asis.org>
> Date: Friday, 22 July, 2011, 21:17
>
>  Thanks, Cassidy. That's less than I thought it would be.
> Dietmar
>  ------------------------------
>  *From: *"Cassidy Sugimoto" <cassidysugimoto at gmail.com<http://uk.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cassidysugimoto@gmail.com>
> >
> *To: *"Dietmar Wolfram" <dwolfram at uwm.edu<http://uk.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dwolfram@uwm.edu>
> >
> *Cc: *"Stasa Milojevic" <smilojev at indiana.edu<http://uk.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=smilojev@indiana.edu>>,
> sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org<http://uk.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sigmet-officers@mail.asis.org>
> *Sent: *Friday, July 22, 2011 11:08:12 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [Sigmet-officers] Webmar debate
>
> The current pricing for webinars is as follows:
>
> The initial flat price for having ASIS&T set up the webinar, put it on the
> website and run registration will be $50 (paid by the SIG, Chapter, etc.).
>
> If there is a charge associated with the webinar, ASIS&T HQ will collected
> $1.75 per person (even if one group of people is free). Any extra revenue
> will go directly to the sponsoring unit (SIG, Chapter, etc.).
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Dietmar Wolfram <dwolfram at uwm.edu<http://uk.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dwolfram@uwm.edu>
> > wrote:
>
>  Dear all,
>
> I like the idea of holding the webinar on a Friday as well for the reasons
> cited. I'll be happy to serve as a moderator for the session if we find we
> need one.
>
> What is the procedure for mounting a webinar? I notice that go2meeting has
> been used for others. Is there a cost for the sponsoring SIG? As a first
> event, I think it would be great if we could offer it for free to SIG
> members and students to get more buy-in to the SIG. Of course, this would
> not be feasible if there is a usage charge for the platform used that would
> need to be recouped.
>
> Dietmar
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From: *"Stasa Milojevic" <smilojev at indiana.edu<http://uk.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=smilojev@indiana.edu>
> >
> *To: *sigmet-officers at mail.asis.org<http://uk.mc12.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sigmet-officers@mail.asis.org>
> *Sent: *Friday, July 22, 2011 8:24:54 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [Sigmet-officers] Webmar debate
>
>
> Dear Jonathan,
>
> Thank you for moving this forward. I have a few suggestions and questions.
>
> I think that having a webinar during a working week might bring in bigger
> audience. One possibility would be a Friday, since there are fewer classes
> on Fridays (in the US), which would mean that more faculty and students
> might be able to attend.
>
> What format do we envision? Are these two lecture-type presentations? What
> would the role of a moderator be in that case? Who is our targeted audience
> (bibliometrics community or general IS community)?
>
> Best,
> Stasa
>
>
> On 7/22/11 8:05 AM, Jonathan Levitt wrote:
>
>   **
>
> *Dear all,*
>
> * *
>
> *I am a bit hampered by not having Cassidy’s notes on the SIG/MET meeting,
> but cannot delay pressing on with SIG meters (I am going on my annual
> holiday in August).  I recall two suggestions from our discussions on the
> Webmar debate:*
>
> *(1)      The strengths and weaknesses of using citation data in the
> humanities. *
>
> *(2)      The strengths and weaknesses of using citation data. *
>
> * *
>
> *I prefer the second proposal for two reasons: (a) we were unable to find
> a person who we thought would defend using citation data in the humanities
> and (b) the second topic is more closely related to our accepted panel on
> the use of informetric information and could attract participants at our
> panel.  *
>
> * *
>
> *My suggestions are:*
>
> *Topic: The strengths and weaknesses of using citation data.*
>
> *Time of day: Afternoon (EST) so at to be a comfortable time of day for
> members from California and Europe.*
>
> *Date of week: Saturday or Sunday.*
>
> *Month: September. *
>
> *Speakers: One from Holland (Loet or Henk) and one from Belgium (Ronald or
> Wolfgang).*
>
> *Moderator: A particularly experienced SIG/MET officer (Dietmar  or
> Judit).*
>
> *Cost: $14.99 for members of ASIST or ISSI; $49.99 for other people.*
>
> * *
>
> *Could you please let me know what you think?*
>
> * *
>
> *Thanks,*
>
> *Jonathan.*
>
> **
>
>
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