[Sigia-l] Anyone suggest a better global list?

[Skot Nelson]

I never had a problem with "being disagreed with" by Ziya.

The problem, as I perceived it, was:
A) Ziya disagreed with everybody about everything
B) The shear number of messages Ziya sent overwhelmed the list, and it was impossible to unlikely that he read the messages being responded to
C) Ziya would post self-contradictory responses sometimes just days apart from each other (effectively refuting the idea that it was a case of "learning from the discussion and changing one's mind")

In any case, the list remained viable for quite some time despite Ziya'a influence. It's disingenuous to suggest that's the only reason the list has died, though i've no doubt it contributed in some way.

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On 2010-12-29, at 11:54, Jonathan Baker-Bates <jonathan at bakerbates.com> wrote:

> On 29 December 2010 19:12, Will Evans <will at semanticfoundry.com> wrote:
> 
>> Vapid debate over definitions of ux/ia/ixd and such has moved to Twitter.
>> 
> 
> Good riddance to that!
> 
> 
>> Meaningful question/answers have moved to Quora.
>> 
> 
> Citation(s) please
> 
> 
>> Ziya never really existed.
>> Then again, neither did I.
>> 
>> 
> It's been years now of course, but what I recollect seeing on this list when
> Ziya posted on it was a bunch of people demonstrating in no uncertain terms
> that they hated being disagreed with.
> 
> I always found that rather surprising given a large part of being a designer
> is having to handle disagreement (be it rationally based or not). I saw it
> all as a good excuse to get stuck into the fray myself by way of training
> for the real world of CEOs telling me that everything has to be above the
> fold. So I rather missed it when it went away.
> 
> Be that as it may, since then I've detected a decidedly worrying streak in
> the "community" for pretty unvarnished intolerance of alternative views. For
> example, since mailing lists like SIGIA died away, I've been posting
> comments on other people's blogs by way of a discussion substitute from time
> to time. On several occasions, I've had my comments censored by blog owners
> for being - I assume - simply off message. Perhaps this sort of thing has
> always happened when publishers have had control of the back channel, but
> that doesn't make it any less depressing. The last time I found out it had
> happened, I decided to blog about it in the hope that the censoring party
> would notice and engage me in a valuable debate. But it didn't happen :-(
> 
> So be careful what you wish for in wanting alternative platforms (and since
> when was the medium the message anyway?)
> 
> Jonathan
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