[Sigia-l] Persistence

[David Malouf]

HOw is Mozilla doing something "special" in their browser any
different than MS creating a XAML browser or Adobe creating a Flash
browser.

If IE and Safari and Opera don't follow suit along with all the other
screen readers out there, doesn't that mean that its just as closed as
anything else.

The only difference is that you can do it in HTML which was never
meant to be an application development environment. Web applications
are a sorry excuse of a hack that have use scalability issues.

As one of those naysayers you speak of, I can see a time when IE
follows Mozilla's lead, just like Mozilla followed IE's lead when it
came to AJAX, but that took a good 5 years to happen.

Shoot, if I wanted to today, I could create add-ons in separate code
for both IE and Mozilla that create this functionality and be done
with it.

The issue is that there is nothing in the DOM.

The way that companies are dealing with persistance today is that they
are taking advantage of Flash's memory management. Scrybe so far is
the one company I know htat has an online/offline syncing mode
already. Who needs Firefox 3?

Just b/c it is open source doesn't mean that it is ubiquitous
instantaneously. WAY too many environments prevent instant upgrading
of systems including consumer environments.

In all these years of your defense of HTML-based technologies, you
never explained why it is good to do HTML. You explained why you can
do, but not why is it good to do? And "Openness" is not enough of an
answer.


-- dave


On 2/13/07, Ziya Oz <listera at earthlink.net> wrote:
> I know some people had already declared HTML/HTTP/browser dead a few years
> ago and began to anoint various pet alternatives as the successor to the
> ubiquitous online platform.
>
> Then Ajax happened to eliminate (most of) the UI concerns.
>
> So the naysayers focused on the persistence issue. Browser based apps can't
> (easily) store data and state for off-line interaction.
>
> I know various toolkits and frameworks tried to alleviate that problem
> through a multitude of approaches.
>
> It appears that the last big argument against browser-based application
> development/distribution is about to fall. Firefox 3 will offer support for
> off-line applications:
>
> <http://www.drury.net.nz/2007/02/03/firefox3-web-apps-game-changer/>
>
> Obviously, it's a start. There are also upcoming (competitive) offerings
> from Microsoft and Adobe for this problem space but what Mozilla will do is
> to standardize the issue in a non-proprietary way: imagine the
> possibilities!
>
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