[Sigia-l] Re: February IxDA NYC Event: Marc Rettig Presents
Hostetter, Elizabeth
hosteli at statcan.ca
Mon Jan 30 15:04:05 EST 2006
Fabulous!
Why did this take so long? As a librarian with a linguistics degree, and a
good deal of UI/IA experience, I have found myself trying to explain the
application of linguistics to interaction design and information science in
general. All I get is quizzical looks.
Elizabeth Hostetter
Librarian/lurker
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1. Re: The Value of an IA discussion - from a newbie's
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2. RE: The Value of an IA discussion - from a
newbie'sperspective (andrew at friendlymanual.com)
3. RE: The Value of an IA discussion - from anewbie'sperspective
(Conal Tuohy)
4. Seadragon (Listera)
5. Re: RE: Sigia-l Digest, Vol 16, Issue 30 (Louise Hewitt)
6. Re: Seadragon (Dave Heller)
7. February IxDA NYC Event: Marc Rettig Presents "Interaction
Design is Language Design" (Ashley LaFrenais)
8. Re: Seadragon (Todd Warfel)
9. Re: RE: Sigia-l Digest, Vol 16, Issue 30 (Chad Fennell)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:31:14 +0000
From: Louise Hewitt <lhlists at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] The Value of an IA discussion - from a newbie's
perspective
To: Listera <listera at rcn.com>
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I did say *new media*. I am confident that he didn't work in that particular
field :-)
Lou.
On 1/28/06, Listera <listera at rcn.com> wrote:
> Louise Hewitt:
>
> > The field is perhaps one of the youngest in newmedia...
>
> He would have been 299 years old this year. :-)
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/dm8mq>
>
> Ziya
> Nullius in Verba
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Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:14:46 -0600
From: andrew at friendlymanual.com
Subject: RE: [Sigia-l] The Value of an IA discussion - from a
newbie'sperspective
To: Christopher Fahey <askrom at graphpaper.com>
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Quoting Christopher Fahey <askrom at graphpaper.com>:
> >> On the contrary front though ... he wasn't the
> >> first to classify stuff. Go back to the ancient greek.
>
> >From memory, the particular Greek chap was Aratosthenes
>
> Aristotle is the one you're thinking of
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle).
No, it was Eratosthenes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes) - he
developed a method for generating prime numbers and calculated the
circumference of the Earth within a couple of percentage points.
He also codified the "western elemental" classification system.
On Aristotle - just because some of his science is now laughable does not
mean that he did not create something of lasting value, nor that it did not
contribute to Linneus' work.
Cheers, Andrew
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:49:02 +1300
From: "Conal Tuohy" <Conal.Tuohy at vuw.ac.nz>
Subject: RE: [Sigia-l] The Value of an IA discussion - from
anewbie'sperspective
To: "sigia l" <sigia-l at asis.org>
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Christopher Fahey wrote:
> Aristotle is the one you're thinking of
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle). Like Linnaeus, Aristotle
> classified all the animals, too. But like almost everything Aristotle
> dreamed up, his system was fairly ridiculous (IMHO, of course). He had
> some pretty bizzarre hierarchical categories, such as animals with
> blood vs.
> without blood, animals found on Aristotle's estate vs. not-found on
> Aristotle's estate, and animals that are delicious to eat
> versus those that
> are not.
Reminds me of Borges' article "The Analytical Language of John Wilkins" in
which he writes of "a certain Chinese encyclopaedia entitled 'Celestial
Empire of benevolent Knowledge'. In its remote pages it is written that the
animals are divided into: (a) belonging to the emperor, (b) embalmed, (c)
tame, (d) sucking pigs, (e) sirens, (f) fabulous, (g) stray dogs, (h)
included in the present classification, (i) frenzied, (j) innumerable, (k)
drawn with a very fine camelhair brush, (l) et cetera, (m) having just
broken the water pitcher, (n) that from a long way off look like flies."
http://www.alamut.com/subj/artiface/language/johnWilkins.html
Con
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 00:17:40 -0500
From: Listera <listera at rcn.com>
Subject: [Sigia-l] Seadragon
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For parsing through large image collections, text repositories and maps, a
very smooth UX:
Site:
<http://www.seadragon.net/>
Sample movie: <http://www.sandcodex.com/web_movies/loc_mov_low.htm>
See before they are gobbled up by Microsoft. :-)
----
Ziya
Design is doing for a dime what anyone can do for a dollar.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:06:50 +0000
From: Louise Hewitt <lhlists at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] RE: Sigia-l Digest, Vol 16, Issue 30
To: "Trenouth, John" <John.Trenouth at cardinal.com>
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On 1/27/06, Trenouth, John <John.Trenouth at cardinal.com> wrote:
>
> (and honestly, can you name any manual laborers who are now CEOs or
> software or media companies?)
>
Perhaps you need to rethink your ceilings. My own father began work in the
post room of a large corp and ended up MD. It does happen to people who aim
high.
Your post makes it sound like being an IA would prevent someone from
achieving a high-flying career path. I'm sure thats not what you intended.
I think most sucessful businesses would agree that any employees who had a
deep understanding of the companies business processes, customer needs,
corporate strategy and goals and the ability to facilitate communication
across different staff units would be an ideal MD (or, to give them the US
TLA: CEO).
my thrupennybit .
Lou.
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:54:52 -0500
From: Dave Heller <dheller at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] Seadragon
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This seems VERY similar to the work that Jef Raskin's project is up to (that
I think his Son is now chief architect of) called Archie.
What they do at archie, I find even more compelling b/c it seems that more
is exposed than mere navigation and reading but rather so is editing and
interaction.
RaskinCenter.org will get you there.
And there are a host of demos, including the zooming one:
http://rchi.raskincenter.org/index.php?title=Demos
-- dave
On 1/30/06, Listera <listera at rcn.com> wrote:
> For parsing through large image collections, text repositories and
> maps, a very smooth UX:
>
> Site:
> <http://www.seadragon.net/>
>
> Sample movie: <http://www.sandcodex.com/web_movies/loc_mov_low.htm>
>
> See before they are gobbled up by Microsoft. :-)
>
> ----
> Ziya
>
> Design is doing for a dime what anyone can do for a dollar.
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:28:48 -0500
From: Ashley LaFrenais <ashley_lafrenais at panergi.com>
Subject: [Sigia-l] February IxDA NYC Event: Marc Rettig Presents
"Interaction Design is Language Design"
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Don't miss this special IxDA NYC Monthly Gathering on February 14!
Come share your passion for interaction design!
Marc Rettig Presents "Interaction Design is Language Design"
In this seminar Marc Rettig will explore the idea that when people
use an interface, they are engaging in an act of language use.
Designing an interface, therefore, amounts to designing a new
language. Designers associate symbols with meanings. They create ways
for people to use symbols in sequence to express complicated
meanings. But what meanings? What symbols? What sequences? Can we do
better than seat-of-the-pants answers to those questions? The notion
of a "design language" has been with us for years, but if we take the
idea seriously, perhaps ideas and frameworks from linguistics can
help us design *better* interfaces.
The goal of topic is to create a grounded practice using the explored
principles. The seminar is not meant to be a completed theory, but a
work in progress that participants get to explore with Marc during
the seminar and after on their own work.
EVENT DETAILS
When: Tuesday, February 14, 2006, 6:30 - 8:30 pm
Where:
Parsons Design Lab
55 W. 13th St. on the 9th Floor
(map info: http://tinyurl.com/b26u2 )
Getting There:
F, V, L at 14th & 6th Ave.
N, Q, R, W, 4, 5,6, or L at 14th & Broadway
COST
$25 in advance; $40 @ the door (if space is available)
(A rare IxDA event to help cover speaker travel costs)
We only have about 30 spaces available for this event, so to secure
your space, please RSVP to nyc (at) ixda (dot) org with your name and
email address. We will send you a confirmation email containing
information on how to pay your registration fee. Your space is not
guaranteed until you have paid. If you are bringing guests, please
send us each guests' name and email address so that we can email them
as well.
ABOUT MARC RETTIG
Marc Rettig is a founding principal of Fit Associates
(www.fitassociates.com). After a twelve-year career as a software
developer, Marc is now thirteen years into a second career as a
designer, educator, and researcher. As someone committed to shipping
"design that fits people's lives," Marc's work is to facilitate
interdisciplinary efforts to translate customer research into good
design and strategy. His clients include Whirlpool, BBC, the U.S.
Army, Crate and Barrel, and Microsoft. He has taught both lecture and
studio courses at Carnegie Mellon's Graduate School of Design (where
he was the 2003 Nierenberg Distinguished Chair of Design) and the
Institute of Design, IIT, in Chicago.
Marc has an undergraduate degree in Anthropology and Linguistics, and
completed requirements for a Master's in Computational Linguistics at
New York University. Marc frequently speaks and conducts hands-on
workshops in industry and academic settings around the world. He
serves on the advisory boards of the Interaction Design Association,
UXNet, and Rosenfeld Media.
ABOUT IxDA
The Interaction Design Association (IxDA) is a non-profit
professional organization whose focus is promoting both the field of
interaction design and the interests of an international community of
practitioners, managers, educators, and students of interaction
design. Our organization's goals are to:
- Communicate the unique perspective that interaction design brings
to both industry and the broader design community
- Promote awareness of the discipline, craft, and value of
interaction design among business leaders, academia, consumers, and
our colleagues
- Advance the discipline of interaction design by encouraging the
adoption of innovative methods
- Encourage and recommend high standards of practice among
interaction design professionals
- Help establish standards for academic programs in interaction design
- Develop an active, close-knit community of interaction design
professionals worldwide
For more information about IxDA, or if you are interested in getting
involved, contact us at nyc (at) ixda (dot) org or visit our web site
at http://www.ixda.org.
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:05:12 -0500
From: "Todd Warfel" <lists at toddwarfel.com>
Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] Seadragon
To: "'SIGIA-L'" <sigia-l at asis.org>
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Reminds me of Microfish.
On Jan 30, 2006, at 6:54 AM, Dave Heller wrote:
This seems VERY similar to the work that Jef Raskin's project is up to (that
I think his Son is now chief architect of) called Archie.
What they do at archie, I find even more compelling b/c it seems that more
is exposed than mere navigation and reading but rather so is editing and
interaction.
RaskinCenter.org will get you there.
And there are a host of demos, including the zooming one:
http://rchi.raskincenter.org/index.php?title=Demos
Cheers!
Todd R. Warfel
Partner, Design & Usability Specialist
Messagefirst | designing and usability consulting
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:30:45 -0600
From: Chad Fennell <libsys at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] RE: Sigia-l Digest, Vol 16, Issue 30
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On a similar note, a distant relative of mine (two generations back) started
at Caterpillar as a manual laborer and eventually became an executive in
charge of over 20,000 employees. And they almost didn't hire him because he
could barely pick up several parts that went on the engines he was to
assemble. He's 92, I think, and he still mows his lawn :).
Still, I wonder if stories like these (in any industry) might not be more
rare now; it seems like people spend more time worrying about
credentials these days than in those times. But I suppose there are
probably lots of examples of *nix geeks with music degrees who now run big
IT shops. Ok, enough armchair sociology. Back to the grind.
-Chad
On 1/30/06, Louise Hewitt <lhlists at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/27/06, Trenouth, John <John.Trenouth at cardinal.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > (and honestly, can you name any manual laborers who are now CEOs or
> > software or media companies?)
> >
>
> Perhaps you need to rethink your ceilings. My own father began work in
> the post room of a large corp and ended up MD. It does happen to
> people who aim high.
>
> Your post makes it sound like being an IA would prevent someone from
> achieving a high-flying career path. I'm sure thats not what you
> intended.
>
> I think most sucessful businesses would agree that any employees who
> had a deep understanding of the companies business processes, customer
> needs, corporate strategy and goals and the ability to facilitate
> communication across different staff units would be an ideal MD (or,
> to give them the US TLA: CEO).
>
> my thrupennybit .
>
> Lou.
>
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>
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