[Sigia-l] "Who Really Turns Off JavaScript?"

[T. Karsjens]

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

There is my discount store for you.

IE has lost a lot of ground.  If you are doing anything in JavaScript today,
you are referencing document object models, which are not the same across
browsers, hence the 15%.  Can you predict that your JavaScript which
references the DOM is going to be 100%?  No, you cannot.

Using JavaScript for front end validation duplicates the back-end
validation.  Why duplicate?  Now, you are making the interface more complex
than it should.

It is not a straw man argument.  The browser industry is becoming more and
more segmented.  If you wish to continue to use a faulty method of
delivering functionality, I wish I lived in the New York area to come into
clients to pick up the pieces left behind by your failures.

Like I said, I would rather hit 100% of the time, as long as the app server
is up.

I will continue to not use JavaScript and I will continue to make clients
very happy with the end result.

--timothy karsjens

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Timothy Karsjens:

> something that works 100% of the time, versus something that
> works 85% of the time.

Do they sell these kinds of stats at discount stores?
15% JavaScript turnoff stat is simply bogus.

> ...if there is any functionality in JavaScript it will make the back-end
MORE
> complex rather than less.

What on earth does this mean?

> Using JavaScript to even validate a form is a ridiculous waste of time...

> The form data is going to be validated AGAIN on the back-end anyway.

> Using JavaScript to do anything of importance in an application is just
bad,
> in my opinion. 

If you want to fight with straw man arguments of your own fantasy, you are
on your own.

---- 
Ziya

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