[Sigia-l] RE: Screen size
Candy Schwartz
candy.schwartz at simmons.edu
Tue Jun 28 14:31:04 EDT 2005
I think I am pretty typical, at least of my Windows-using colleagues. I have
a 21-inch monitor, 1280x1024, and I never have any window open more than
half screen, and usually have at least five or six things going on. So I
often miss any navigation or information which appears beyond the 640th
pixel. Screen size is not the issue - it's browser size within screen.
Candy Scwhartz
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> 1. RE: functional screen resolution + wireframes sizing
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> 2. RE: functional screen resolution (Klas Thors?n)
> 3. RE: When I grow up I want to be a... (Linda Kolar)
> 4. making it more formal: screen resolution survey (Gray, Laurie)
> 5. Re: The art of reading (Ted Han)
> 6. Re: data as information? (James Melzer)
> 7. Re: functional screen resolution (Lists)
> 8. Re: Self organising Information (Was Data as Information)
> (Reinoud Bosman)
> 9. Re: The art of reading (John Fullerton)
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> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:13:41 -0400
> From: "Giovanni Fortezza" <Giovanni at fortezza.com>
> Subject: RE: [Sigia-l] functional screen resolution + wireframes
> sizing
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> I think those days are really over. Most laptops and
> computers can display resolutions far greater than 1024x768.
> I don't even see many users slightly minimizing either.
>
> The one issue that I see is doing wireframes in Visio to
> accurately show correct sizes, type size is always an issue.
>
> Do you have standard sizes and templates for 1024x768 wireframes?
>
> Thanks.
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> [mailto:sigia-l-bounces at asis.org] On Behalf Of Gray, Laurie
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> It's easy to find data on recorded screen resolutions for
> website visitors. Generally, recorded data suggests that
> roughly half are using 1024x768, with half again as many
> using 800x600. So, approximately 75% of users are in 800x600
> or greater.
>
> At the same time, we've seen a number of sites (Yahoo, for
> example) go back to an 800x600 design. The days of "1024,
> degrading gracefully to 800" seem to be gone. The question I
> have is, "why?"
>
> One hypothesis is that users who have their systems set at a
> higher resolution work with multiple windows that are
> slightly minimized, or tiled. Has anyone observed this? Heck,
> at this point, I'd take personal reports/anecdotes on what
> each of you use.
>
> Thanks,
> Laurie
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> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:24:16 +0200
> From: Klas Thors?n <klas at doberman.se>
> Subject: RE: [Sigia-l] functional screen resolution
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> I would really like to see a discussion about this. In every
> new project this issue about 800x600 or 1024x768 optimized
> comes up. The graphic designers I work with jumps high when I
> show stats of 90% 1024+ users. "Now I can finally make a nice
> grid and take advantage of the screen" they say...
>
> My think that Windows user are used to have optimized their
> Explorer windows so if they have a resolution of 1024 it wont
> be a problem to optimize for 1024. But now when Windows
> user's starts to have greater screens with 1400 and 1600
> pixels resolution at least power user's starts to fit more
> then one window on the screen, or make readably column size
> for sites with liquid layout. This means that an 800 pixels
> resolution optimization is more appropriate for Windows users
> with big resolution.
>
> Mac users are more used to have control of more then one
> window at the same and seldom or never maximized for the
> screen resolution. So for some Mac users will their Safari
> window never hit the size of 1024 independent of if they have
> 1024 or 1600.
>
> Looking forward to get some pros and cons for 1024
>
> thanks
> klas
>
>
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> [mailto:sigia-l-bounces at asis.org] On Behalf Of Gray, Laurie
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> It's easy to find data on recorded screen resolutions for
> website visitors. Generally, recorded data suggests that
> roughly half are using 1024x768, with half again as many
> using 800x600. So, approximately 75% of users are in 800x600
> or greater.
>
> At the same time, we've seen a number of sites (Yahoo, for
> example) go back to an 800x600 design. The days of "1024,
> degrading gracefully to 800" seem to be gone. The question I
> have is, "why?"
>
> One hypothesis is that users who have their systems set at a
> higher resolution work with multiple windows that are
> slightly minimized, or tiled. Has anyone observed this? Heck,
> at this point, I'd take personal reports/anecdotes on what
> each of you use.
>
> Thanks,
> Laurie
>
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> From: "Linda Kolar" <lkolar at thinkinc.com>
> Subject: RE: [Sigia-l] When I grow up I want to be a...
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> > T. Karsjens wrote:
> > I have a degree in psychology and art
>
> > Todd wrote:
> > My degrees are in Cognitive Psych and English
>
> > Lou wrote:
> > I have joint degree in Social Anthropology and Politics & Government
>
> > Lists wrote:
> > Philosophy and History here.
>
> > Ted wrote:
> > Linguistics w/ minors in computer science, Japanese & philosophy
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> > Isabel wrote:
> > Studio Art and Architecture
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> > Erik wrote:
> > BA: Cultural Anthropology & Philosophy
> > MS: Human-Computer Interaction
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> > Kate wrote:
> > Law
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> > Laurie wrote:
> > Speech Pathology (B.S./M.A)
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> Adding my bit to the string....
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> BA: Biology
> DVM: Veterinary Medicine
> MPH: Epidemiology
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> - Linda
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> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:45:08 -0400
> From: "Gray, Laurie" <LGray at KnowledgeStorm.com>
> Subject: [Sigia-l] making it more formal: screen resolution survey
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> I'll be happy to share responses back to the group when
> finished. The survey link is
> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=201331175474, and you
> could even be entered to win a $20 Amazon.com certificate.
>
> Thanks,
> Laurie
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> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:57:52 -0400
> From: Ted Han <notheory at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] The art of reading
> To: "Jursa, Jan (init)" <Jan.Jursa at init.de>
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> Talk about dangerous devices. Think of the potential for
> abuse, it's essentially designed for masked priming.
>
> Beyond that, it seems like an interesting device, i bet its
> good for reading simple sentences, but that it fares poorly
> for complex or nested sentences. But in lieu of actual data,
> that's just conjecture based on what i know about human
> sentence processing.
>
> -T
>
> On 6/28/05, Jursa, Jan (init) <Jan.Jursa at init.de> wrote:
> > Wow. I've never heard of RSVP (Rapid Serial Visual Presentation).
> >
> > Here is an interesting self-experiment:
> >
> > http://www.humanfactors.com/downloads/flashreader.asp
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:58:08 -0400
> From: James Melzer <jamesmelzer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] data as information?
> To: sigia l <sigia-l at asis.org>
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> Is it more dangerous to treat data as information or to treat
> information as data?
>
> I've noticed that practitioners from the data modeling
> community sometimes discuss findable information
> (specifically, documents) as an output of their methodology.
> I think Google has demonstrated to some degree that this can
> be effective, given the right behavioral assumptions.
>
> Are the two communities (data architecture and information
> architecture) discussing the same thing from different
> perspectives? Even our terms are different - they often use
> the phrase "meta data" as a synonym of the term "metadata".
>
> ~ James
>
> On 6/28/05, Ed Housman <em_housman at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Ah, we turn again to the Nature of Information. Quite so,
> it is the
> > substance we IA's get paid to manipulate. About a year ago, we
> > chatted for weeks about *context*. The epigram emerged:
> "Information
> > is data in context."
> >
> > Over these months I have been pondering further "what is
> information
> > anyway?", but was side-tracked by an analysis of *media*.
> A medium is
> > necessary for information to move among members of a group,
> allowing
> > cooperative activity. It carries information from one place
> to another
> > in time-space, or stores it for future use. Smoke signals, flags,
> > bugles, flashing mirrors, tom-toms, voice, printed text,
> carvings on
> > stone, radio broadcasts, disk files, web pages ... these are all
> > media. They all involve expendature of energy. But a medium is NOT
> > information; information rides on its back.
> >
> > I don't want to divert you all from your very interesting ongoing
> > discussions, but I thought I'd add this thought as long as
> you brought
> > up the subject.
> >
> > Currently I am analyzing the movement of information itself,
> > irrespective of the medium; for the same information can be
> sent using
> > different media. The meaning, stupid. (Referring to myself, of
> > course.)
> >
> > --Ed
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> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:09:25 -0400
> From: Lists <lists at rexruff.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] functional screen resolution
> To: Klas Thors?n <klas at doberman.se>
> Cc: sigia-l at asis.org
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> On Jun 28, 2005, at 10:24 AM, Klas Thorsén wrote:
>
> > Mac users are more used to have control of more then one window at
> > the same
> > and seldom or never maximized for the screen resolution. So for
> > some Mac
> > users will their Safari window never hit the size of 1024
> > independent of if
> > they have 1024 or 1600.
>
> I have a 20" Cinema display for my PowerMac and I usually keep my
> browser windows about 750. I can almost fit two dif windows across
> the screen that way.
>
> My boss, when he had a 15" monitor, always maxed his browser
> window.
> Now that he's got a 19", he keeps it smaller as well.
>
> We design pure css pages and set the outermost div for 750
> but try to
> use the background of the div for design if the window happens to be
> bigger.
>
> We felt it was just too hard dealing with liquid pages in pure CSS
> across browsers.
>
> -dg
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:41:07 +0200
> From: Reinoud Bosman <Reinoud.Bosman at mediacatalyst.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] Self organising Information (Was Data as
> Information)
> To: "'sigia-l at asis.org'" <SIGIA-L at asis.org>
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> The brain/nervous system in its early growing stages works in
> a way that can be very easily adapted to hyperlinked information.
>
> When a neural path grows it initially creates a lot of
> connections with other cells. Over time the connections that
> are used most will grow stronger. The others die off. This is
> (very simplified) the 'hardware' part of memories being
> stored in our nervous system. A very Darwinian process: the
> fittest connections survive.
>
> The same principle can be applied to hyperlinks. The server
> keeps track of the amount of page views that lead from
> certain links. Links that are not followed are eventually removed.
>
> A site that has implemented this adaptive linking is newsmap
> (http://www.marumushi.com/apps/newsmap/newsmap.cfm)
>
> The font-size of the headlines of articles that are popular
> increases. Headlines that aren't being followed decrease in
> size (until they are so small nobody can see them anymore -
> *pop* goes the evolutionary web ;)
>
> r.
>
>
>
> On 6/28/05 2:33 PM, "Stewart Dean" <stew8dean at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jan,
> >
> > I read your message and it's reminded me of a theory I'm still
> > fleshing out. This gets a bit nebulous so forgive me if it
> appears a
> > bit, well, strange.
> >
> > In many ways information and energy are related which comes over in
> > Shannons work. Life, for example, is governed by what is best
> > described as 'rate of change' - something that is covered
> by the area
> > of artificial life - or complex systems / complexity / self
> organising
> > systems, pick the term you're happiest with.
> >
> > Life requires the right amount of change to work, and it needs a
> > particular form of organisation, one where it can organise
> energy (and
> > information) using existing energy/information. To low a rate of
> > change leads to either a static or cyclical system, like sailing a
> > ship with no wind or tide, to high and things just break down into
> > chaos, like trying to sail a ship in a extreme storm.
> >
> > Computers are mostly static and cyclical - they require being poked
> > with a stick to do anything, like the web sites most of build
> > (updating prices isnt really dynamic, it's just a simple
> reaction from
> > a feed).
> >
> > You brought up entropy. Yep we're fighting entropy -
> fighting things
> > getting too static or too chaotic. The reason why we're all
> in a job
> > is that this is a never ending fight - as long as things change,
> > regardless of the rate of change, things need to be updated.
> >
> > So comes my theory - how about self organising sites? I'm
> not really
> > talking about personalisation, or collaborative filtering
> (you have to
> > admit it doesnt work that well for the effort users have to
> put into
> > it) nor am I talking about Wikis - which start getting close. I'm
> > talking about information that feeds of the energy of user
> interaction
> > to organise it's self and remains usable. In essence a library that
> > needs no librarians, only readers. I think it's possible
> but am time
> > poor, so to speak.
> >
> > I've heard people use the term bottom up IA but these come short of
> > true bottom up systems (the BBCs approach, for example, is
> > fundamentally top down due to their use of an evolved dublin core).
> >
> > I can't help think someone has tried to do this before but
> can anyone
> > think of examples? Or do you feel I still have some
> explaining to do?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Stewart Dean
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: "Jursa, Jan (init)" <Jan.Jursa at init.de>
> >> To: "sigia l" <sigia-l at asis.org>
> >> Subject: [Sigia-l] data as information?
> >> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:29:37 +0200
> >>
> >>
> >> Though nullius in verba seems to be the motto of this list :-) -
> >> there is nothing wrong to familiarise oneself with elementary
> >> theories, before renaming given terms.
> >>
> >> See for example "The Mathematical Theory of
> Communication", published
> >> in 1948, by Shannon/Weaver (the fathers of information theory).
> >>
> >> Some statement from Shannon and Weaver (how I learned them):
> >> "information turns out to be exactly that which is known in
> >> thermodynamics as entropy" "In particular, information must not be
> >> confused with meaning"
> >>
> >> so, as I understand it. data holds three kinds of things:
> >> Information, Redundancy and Noise.
> >>
> >> Regarding the fundamental definition of "information" in the
> >> information theory, I'd like to think of an IA as of someone who
> >> tries to remove the amount on Entropy in a given environment...
> >>
> >> What do you think?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Jan
> >
> >
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> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:58:46 -0500
> From: "John Fullerton" <JFULLERT at lib-gw.tamu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] The art of reading
> To: <sigia-l at asis.org>, <listera at rcn.com>
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> > Is this a good thing? How far should we go in *directing* how people
> read?
> > How far do we go in "engineering" reading experience?
>
> Could this relate to the PowerPoint for the CEO idea?
>
> I was thinking that if I read an article and want to refer it
> to my boss, I could highlight the passages that I thought
> were relevant--the elements that prompted me to refer (give a
> copy of) to my boss. Even if my reading was hurried, it's
> possible that the highlights could add some value. Of course,
> it's possible that the other person could benefit from what I
> did not highlight.
>
> Have a nice day
> John Paul Fullerton
> j-fullerton at tamu.edu
>
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