[Sigia-l] RE: Sigia-l digest, Vol 1 #867 - 3 msgs

Sun Mar 14 12:58:30 EST 2004

Bob -
Your list sounds like a great idea.  Just two questions.  Will it be
moderated or in any other way edited?  Does it have to be a CMS event?  For
example, might it be an IA or UPA event that would be of interest to CMSers?

Thanks .... Marcia

Marcia Morante
KCurve, Inc.
(718)881-5915 - office
(917)821-2087 - mobile
http://kcurve.com
Effective Content Management for the Web

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>    1. Re: IA and Prototype Theory (Bob Doyle)
>    2. Re: best practices for Events Calendars? (Bob Doyle)
>    3. User-Centered Metadata (H Taylor)
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> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:43:18 -0500
> From: Bob Doyle <bobdoyle at skybuilders.com>
> To: sigia-l at asis.org
> Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] IA and Prototype Theory
>
> Hi Peter and Sarah,
>
> I think the basic connection between prototype theory (meaning by
> resemblance) and Information Architecture should be found in the Library
> Science background of so many IA's.
>
> As Peter van Dijk put it in the reference below, it's a question of how
> we categorize and classify.
>
> So powerful IA tools like taxonomies, thesauri, and faceted
> classifications are forms of prototyping.
>
> Peter v D disusses "basic" categories, but your basic may be my
> advanced, and everything is culture dependent.  This is why we build
> controlled vocabularies for each client organization based on their
> peculiar usage ("user warrant").
>
> Lakoff teaches us that we can discover the most basic or primal words by
> the metaphors we use with them. But general usage may not be relevant
> for a jargon-laden organization.  So listen to how the client talks.
>
> Google may not have much, but the tools are in chapter 9 of the Polar
> Bear book, in something by Jean Aitchison on thesauri, then on to
> faceted classifications.  We need to get Peter v D to flesh out his XFML
> (eXchangeable Faceted Metadata Language).
>
> I am trying to work with faceting in a scheme to classify CM Systems so
> we can compare them and evaluate them more quickly.
>
> See http://www.cmsml.org and http://www.cmsreview.com/Directory.html
>
> I wrote a short piece for the Gilbane Report at
> http://www.cmsreview.com/Reviews/GilbaneReport1.pdfPeter Merholz wrote:
>
> > On Mar 12, 2004, at 7:54 AM, Sarah Brodwall wrote:
> >
> >>  I'm interested to hear if any of you have any experience with
> >> prototype theory, and if you've thought about any ways in which you
> >> might apply it to your work in information architecture.
> >
> >
> > Alas, all I have been able to do is think about it. (As opposed to
> > apply it.)
> >
> > The IA community has in the past referenced George Lakoff's "Women,
> > Fire, And Dangerous Things," which address prototype theory.
> >
> > (A search on google for ["information architecture" "george lakoff"]
> > reveals a number of results.)
> >
> > Peter van Dijck wrote about basic-level categories here:
> > http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/archives/002360.html
> >
> > Unfortunately, there hasn't been much to bridge from information
> > architecture to prototype theory. (A google search for ["information
> > architecture" "prototype theory"] turns up very little.)
> >
> --
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:51:54 -0500
> From: Bob Doyle <bobdoyle at skybuilders.com>
> To: Sigia-l at asis.org
> Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] best practices for Events Calendars?
>
> Hi Eloise,
>
> We are developing an Events Calendar for the CMS Community at
> http://www.cmscalendar.com/.
>
> It can be filtered by region and type of event, with full or brief
> listings.  The calendar navigation lets you go back or forward in time,
> and events drop off automatically when they expire.
>
> One strong point about it is that it is syndicated to other CMS related
> sites, like the CMS Wiki
> (http://www.cmswiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=CmsEvents). Each site can
> style it to its own look.
>
> So we enter the data once and it comes out in many places.  At the
> moment, we let anyone in the CM or IA community add events.  When
> someone steals a horse, we will add a login I suppose.
>
> We are watching the development of XML interchange standards for
> calendars (lots of them are available - vCal, iCal, xCal).  When
> something settles down, we will adopt it.
>
> Jackson, Eloise wrote:
>
> >I'm working on IA recommendations for a large government website
> to expand the functionality of their "Events" pages.   There are
> many different types of events (training, conferences, trade
> shows, workshops etc.) held in many different places across the
> States for many different audiences (govt employees, vendors,
> customers,local, regional, national etc.).
> >
> >Can anyone offer guidance on best practices for presenting
> Events, registering for them, and the calendar functionality that
> is part of the process?  Also, examples of good sites offering
> this would be appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 11:34:25 +0100
> From: H Taylor <taylor at critpath.org>
> To: <sigia-l at asis.org>
> Subject: [Sigia-l] User-Centered Metadata
>
> > I agree with Jim.
> >
> > I've seen the term user-centered metadata pop up often and from
> what I can
> > tell the precise definition is still coming into focus. If you
> ask me, there
> > is no such thing as user-centered metadata, but rather just plain old
> > metadata that facilitates the increased demand for
> user-centered 'features
> > and tools to help people interactively mine data, generate patterns, and
> > conduct analysis on data'.
> >
> > Here is an article from D-Lib that I found somewhat relevant:
> >
> > http://www.dlib.org/dlib/july03/07inbrief.html
>
> I wonder if this idea of "User-Centered Metadata" is simply making a
> distinction between metadata likely to be of interest/useful to system
> users, and metadata typically of interest only to DBA's and system
> engineers, i.e., tables, table structure, keys, allowable values, etc.
>
> ...whereas User-Centered Metadata would more like focus on data
> description,
> which is more likely to be of interest to people attempting to *use* the
> actual data.
>
> Remember that IA-types are not the only ones who think about
> metadata -- the
> term has a history within the tech community.
>
> Perhaps it's that simple?
>
> -Hal Taylor
>
>
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