[Sigia-l] Information Architect Job Openings with LDS Church

[Hankinson, Jody]

It is Friday afternoon and I'm going to assume you've had a bad week and
need to leave the office. But before you go, I feel compelled to gently say
that while this list is not currently ruined, surely continued negative
comments won't help any ailments.

Again, gently, while you may think the discussion of 'temple worth'
inappropriate, I think it is completely within the realm of profession
support that is part of this list. Yes, it digressed a bit, but that
phenomenon is not new and has been part of this community since I joined in
1999. 

Lastly, life is too short to have such stress over a list-serve. So please,
log off, go home and enjoy the weekend.

Jody Hankinson | Information Architect
212.852.5051 | jhankinson at girlscouts.org
GSUSA | Where Girls Grow Strong | 420 Fifth Avenue, NY, NY 10018

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Merholz [mailto:peterme at peterme.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 5:24 PM
To: sigia-l at asis.org
Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] Information Architect Job Openings with LDS Church

It's mindless palaver such as this that has pretty much ruined the 
SIGIA-L list.

Jesus Christ *, people, it's a church. Of course they don't have to 
follow the same rules as other employers. They also don't pay taxes, 
and, I'm sure any number of other things we expect from commercial 
organizations.

Is this really the best we can do, on an INFORMATION ARCHITECTURE 
mailing list, is blather like idiots about the definition of "temple 
worthy," and whether such labels are valid?

--peter, atheist

On Jan 30, 2004, at 12:07 PM, Donna M. Fritzsche wrote:

> At 12:54 PM -0700 1/30/04, Bill Brown wrote:
>> If you read Title VII a little further in the Exemptions section, 
>> you'll
>> see:
>>
>> "(a) This subchapter shall not apply to an employer with respect
>> to the employment of aliens outside any State, or to a religious
>> corporation, association, educational institution, or society with
>> respect
>> to the employment of individuals of a particular religion to perform
>> work
>> connected with the carrying on by such corporation, association,
>> educational institution, or society of its activities."
>>
>> So a church can say that its janitors must be followers of that faith.
>>
>
> But putting the words *Temple Worthy*  in the job description means 
> more than asking for followers of that faith.
> As an example, I went to grade school at a Catholic School.
> My first grade teacher was divorced - a taboo at that time in the 
> Catholic Church.
> One Sunday I saw my teacher at mass.  My mother told me that she was 
> breaking
> church rules by attending mass because divorced people were not 
> allowed to attend mass.
> My teacher was - in that sense - not temple worthy.
> Should she  not have been allowed to  teach at my school?
>
> Donna
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