[Sigia-l] Corporate Librarians
Skyiepal, Nicolle Abeto
naskyie at sandia.gov
Wed Dec 1 11:21:52 EST 2004
I am a librarian working in a special library. So I would be a special librarian. Typically, corporate librarians work for large companies. James Melzer is correct in referring you to SLA- the Special Libraries Association. These titles are lucid for librarians but vague for others.
Regards,
Nicolle
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1. RE: Serious Discussion of IA Research? (Everett, Andy)
2. Corporate Librarians? (Gray, Laurie)
3. Re: Corporate Librarians? (James Melzer)
4. Favourite secret resources? (Peter Van Dijck)
5. Re: Corporate Librarians? (Jared M. Spool)
6. RE: Corporate Librarians? (Barford, Patricia )
7. Re: Corporate Librarians? (Listera)
8. precoordinate indexing (Peter Van Dijck)
9. Re: precoordinate indexing (Listera)
10. Re: Corporate Librarians? (Tanya Rabourn)
11. Re: precoordinate indexing (James Melzer)
12. Re: precoordinate indexing (ejacob at indiana.edu)
13. RE: IA research? (Boniface Lau)
14. RE: IA research? (Boniface Lau)
15. RE: Serious Discussion of IA Research? (Boniface Lau)
16. RE: Serious Discussion of IA Research? (Boniface Lau)
17. Re: Serious Discussion of IA Research? (Dwayne King)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:38:59 -0800
From: "Everett, Andy" <EveretA at wsdot.wa.gov>
Subject: RE: [Sigia-l] Serious Discussion of IA Research?
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I've been lurking on this discussion for sometime and thought I'd speak out
The discussion of data versus information is interesting. At UW recently,
several of my professors would talk about the data, information, knowledge,
wisdom hierarchy. Each one would have their own opinions and each one would
differ from the other. The talk about knowledge and wisdom is another thread
for another time.
I agree with the majority of the discussion in this thread so far on the
data vs information.
What I always understood from my instructors was that data is fundamental.
Alone it has no meaning. Data is what an organization collects.
Information is that same data with meaning. For example, in my WSDOT world
101.50 is a data value we might collect. This could be the price of some
consumable inventory that we have such as a guardrail or the Accumulated
Route Mileage on some State Route. Without that context that datum is
meaningless, just another 2 decimal number. If the datum is considered to be
an Accumulated Route Mileage associated with a State Route I can roughly
determine a location on that State Route. If 101.5 represented State Route
5, I can tell you that you are located near Tumwater, Washington.
In my current position I deal with creating information structures. I am,
with the help of the business owners (data stewards), defining data elements
in databases based on their context, content and meaning and not their use
(information). When we are completed , we should have an accurate
representation of information within the Department, created from the bottom
up. Essentially, this will be our Departmental Information Architecture that
will allow our organization to talk about its information with one common
understanding. Right now each office within the Department has its own view
of the common information. We don't all talk with a common understanding
which leads to misunderstandings and data translated to information that may
not have only one answer depending on the source.
In my view a common enterprise information architecture allows for data
sharing and data interoperability. Information architectures ,IMHO, are
artifacts that combine the information structures of multiple database into
one structure across an organization whether they be a faceted classfication
taxonomy to organize your data or namespaces for logically finding web
services, web pages or information objects on a file system. I agree that an
Information Architect should have an understanding of databases but not be
DBAs. They, should as I have learned on the job, to be a data modeler in the
context of building databases.
Andy Everett
Data Catalog Administrator
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Washington State Department of Transportation
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:48:52 -0500
From: "Gray, Laurie" <LGray at KnowledgeStorm.com>
Subject: [Sigia-l] Corporate Librarians?
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I was in a discussion today about a business partner who feels that their
biggest user group is corporate librarians. My team wondered aloud how many
corporate librarians exist today. I told them I knew where I could ask. Are
any of you/have any of you been corporate librarians? Does anyone know how
many corporate librarians there are these days? And, if that title is no
longer appropriate, what is a better one?
Thanks,
Laurie
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:22:47 -0500
From: James Melzer <jamesmelzer at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] Corporate Librarians?
To: "Gray, Laurie" <lgray at knowledgestorm.com>
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In general corporate librarians go by the title 'special librarians' -
meaning basically that they are librarians in a special context, like
corporations, governments, etc. Their experience and training makes
them highly specialized subject matter experts and researchers. They
have a professional organization - the SLA - http://www.sla.org. Their
website says they have 12,000 members in 83 countries.
~ James
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:48:52 -0500, Gray, Laurie
<lgray at knowledgestorm.com> wrote:
> I was in a discussion today about a business partner who feels that their
> biggest user group is corporate librarians. My team wondered aloud how many
> corporate librarians exist today. I told them I knew where I could ask. Are
> any of you/have any of you been corporate librarians? Does anyone know how
> many corporate librarians there are these days? And, if that title is no
> longer appropriate, what is a better one?
>
> Thanks,
> Laurie
>
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> Laurie Gray
> Senior Information Architect
> KnowledgeStorm.com
> 770-998-8864
>
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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:00:44 +0100
From: Peter Van Dijck <peter at poorbuthappy.com>
Subject: [Sigia-l] Favourite secret resources?
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What are your favourite not-well-known IA resources? I'm compiling a
list. For example, the searchloggers group has only 11 members but is
really interesting, for example this post about best bets at the BBC:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/searchloggers/message/36
Cheers,
Peter
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:45:43 -0500
From: "Jared M. Spool" <jspool at uie.com>
Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] Corporate Librarians?
To: James Melzer <jamesmelzer at gmail.com>, "Gray, Laurie"
<lgray at knowledgestorm.com>
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At 02:22 PM 11/30/2004, James Melzer wrote:
>They have a professional organization - the SLA - http://www.sla.org.
>Their website says they have 12,000 members in 83 countries.
Didn't Patti Hearst belong to that group?
(Am I dating myself?)
Jared
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:51:21 -0700
From: "Barford, Patricia " <PBarford at epcor.ca>
Subject: RE: [Sigia-l] Corporate Librarians?
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You most certainly are. Wasn't she known as Tanya then?
Pat
At 02:22 PM 11/30/2004, James Melzer wrote:
>They have a professional organization - the SLA - http://www.sla.org.
>Their website says they have 12,000 members in 83 countries.
Didn't Patti Hearst belong to that group?
(Am I dating myself?)
Jared
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:01:32 -0500
From: Listera <listera at rcn.com>
Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] Corporate Librarians?
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Jared M. Spool:
> Am I dating myself?
That's a hard one to answer for IAs without an appropriately placed webcam.
:-)
Ziya
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:03:29 +0100
From: Peter Van Dijck <peter at poorbuthappy.com>
Subject: [Sigia-l] precoordinate indexing
To: sigia l <sigia-l at asis.org>, "<aifia-members at lists.ibiblio.org>
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Question: I'm trying to figure out what "precoordinate indexing" really
means, in a web context.
http://www.archivists.org/glossary/term_details.asp?DefinitionKey=993
Let's say we have an article about Shakespeare's lovelife. In
precoordinate indexing, we have to put that under the categories:
- Shakespeare
- Skakespeare's lovelife
- lovelife
whereas in postcoordinate indexing, we have to put it under the categories
- Shakespeare
- lovelife
and the system will also show it under Shakespeare's lovelife.
Something like that. In precoordinate, you have to list out all the
combinations, in post-coordinate, you let the system/user generate
combinations. Is that correct? And if so, is it correct to say that
these concepts are useful in a manual environment, but when you're
dealing with databases and such, the concept of precoordinate indexing
becomes pretty much irrelevant? This page
http://www.archivists.org/glossary/term_details.asp?DefinitionKey=989
says: "The flexibility associated with postcoordinate systems is lost
when index terms must be printed out on paper or on conventional catalog
cards."
Mmmm..
PeterV
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:17:06 -0500
From: Listera <listera at rcn.com>
Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] precoordinate indexing
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> "precoordinate indexing"
Haven't taken my meds today so I'm not sure if we're living in a digital age
in the 21st century, but I think I remember someone asking here the other
day what the word 'highfalutin' meant. :-)
Ziya
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:17:39 -0500
From: Tanya Rabourn <tanya at pixelcharmer.com>
Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] Corporate Librarians?
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On Nov 30, 2004, at 4:51 PM, Barford, Patricia wrote:
> You most certainly are. Wasn't she known as Tanya then?
Yes, as immortalized in "Tania" on Camper Van Beethoven's "Our Beloved
Revolutionary Sweetheart." (Dating myself -- but the 80's at least.
Fortunately no one sings that song to me anymore.)
To put forth a pretense of contributing to the thread -- I would say
using the phrase corporate librarians is common when trying to single
out business librarians who work for businesses (as opposed to academic
or public libraries.) Even the SLA (the slightly less radical
organization) posts this quote:
"Corporate Librarian" is one of the top three hot jobs for 2003-2004
Challenger, Gray & Christmas, Inc., August 2003
Although I've known a few librarians who work for an entity that we
would categorize as being part of "special libraries," I don't think
I've ever heard one of them refer to themselves as a "special
librarian." But maybe they just waited until I left the room.
-Tanya
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:23:45 -0500
From: James Melzer <jamesmelzer at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] precoordinate indexing
To: Peter Van Dijck <peter at poorbuthappy.com>
Cc: aifia-members at lists.ibiblio.org, sigia-l at asis.org
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Precoordination is still somewhat applicable in a digital world. It is
often desirable to establish the rules of precoordination - semantic
relationships and so forth - even if you don't need to manually
establish all the instances of it. In your example, "Skakespeare's
lovelife" is a precombination of Shakespeare and lovelife. This makes
sense, but "Toyota Camry's lovelife" doesn't. They're both proper
nouns, but the semantic relationship with lovelife is all wrong in the
case of the car.
Also, generally, precoordinate indexing was used when it was needed,
not all the time. So we needn't combine everyone's name with Lovelife
in the index, only the relevant people's names. You know - Kennedy,
Monroe, Clinton, Anderson, Hilton. Obviously, this is easy in an
automated system. But the basic idea is still important - it is a way
of presenting multiple levels of information and some simple
relationships within a simple linear list of items. This is relevant
when your interface options are limited, like on a cell phone. The
card catalogs are gone, but the library science lives on. :)
~ James Melzer
On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:03:29 +0100, Peter Van Dijck
<peter at poorbuthappy.com> wrote:
> Question: I'm trying to figure out what "precoordinate indexing" really
> means, in a web context.
>
> http://www.archivists.org/glossary/term_details.asp?DefinitionKey=993
>
> Let's say we have an article about Shakespeare's lovelife. In
> precoordinate indexing, we have to put that under the categories:
> - Shakespeare
> - Skakespeare's lovelife
> - lovelife
> whereas in postcoordinate indexing, we have to put it under the categories
> - Shakespeare
> - lovelife
> and the system will also show it under Shakespeare's lovelife.
>
> Something like that. In precoordinate, you have to list out all the
> combinations, in post-coordinate, you let the system/user generate
> combinations. Is that correct? And if so, is it correct to say that
> these concepts are useful in a manual environment, but when you're
> dealing with databases and such, the concept of precoordinate indexing
> becomes pretty much irrelevant? This page
> http://www.archivists.org/glossary/term_details.asp?DefinitionKey=989
> says: "The flexibility associated with postcoordinate systems is lost
> when index terms must be printed out on paper or on conventional catalog
> cards."
>
> Mmmm..
>
> PeterV
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:30:41 -0500
From: ejacob at indiana.edu
Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] precoordinate indexing
To: Peter Van Dijck <peter at poorbuthappy.com>
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On Dec 1, 2004, at 11:03 AM, Peter Van Dijck wrote:
Question: I'm trying to figure out what "precoordinate indexing" really
means, in a web context.
http://www.archivists.org/glossary/term_details.asp?DefinitionKey=993
Let's say we have an article about Shakespeare's lovelife. In
precoordinate indexing, we have to put that under the categories:
- Shakespeare
- Skakespeare's lovelife
- lovelife
whereas in postcoordinate indexing, we have to put it under the
categories
- Shakespeare
- lovelife
and the system will also show it under Shakespeare's lovelife.
Something like that. In precoordinate, you have to list out all the
combinations, in post-coordinate, you let the system/user generate
combinations. Is that correct? And if so, is it correct to say that
these concepts are useful in a manual environment, but when you're
dealing with databases and such, the concept of precoordinate indexing
becomes pretty much irrelevant?
Peter --
Yahoo! is a precoordinate system. so is Open Directory. you may be
able to search both using a postcoordinate search query to identify
resources but the underlying structure is precoordinate (predefined
categories in a fixed relational styructure). postcoordinate searching
simply splits a resource collection in two: those that match the query
and those that don't match the query -- no more, no less. but a
precoordinate system that supports postcoordinate searching would allow
you to access not only those resources that explicitly match your
[free-text] query string, but those that have been previously assigned
to the same precoordinate category (or categories) as your retrieval
set but that didn't actually contaIn the terms you used in your query.
so is the distinction irrelevant for web-based resource collections? i
think not. each approach has advantages in a digital environment.
elin jacob
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:50:16 -0500
From: "Boniface Lau" <boniface_lau at compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: [Sigia-l] IA research?
To: <sigia-l at asis.org>
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> From: Natasja Paulssen
>
> The difference between human-readable (I would still consider this
> data)
Earlier, you wrote:
NP> information is meant to be read by people.
Thus, I thought you meant information is human-readable while data is
not. No?
> and human-sensible is the key in my opinion.
Isn't something human-readable also human-sensible? How else do people
read beside sensing?
> Maybe IA is transforming readable into sensible?
How do you see IA doing that?
Boniface
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:50:38 -0500
From: "Boniface Lau" <boniface_lau at compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: [Sigia-l] IA research?
To: <sigia-l at asis.org>
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> From: Stewart Dean
>
> Information is that Data in context.
Everything is in some kind of context. Thus, all data are information?
> The more context the more information.
So, wrapping something inside 3 layers of any context has more
information than wrapping it inside 2 layers of any context?
Boniface
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:51:35 -0500
From: "Boniface Lau" <boniface_lau at compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: [Sigia-l] Serious Discussion of IA Research?
To: <sigia-l at asis.org>
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> From: Conal Tuohy
>
> Data are the raw facts, stored in a database or whatever. NB
> "Data" is a noun.
>
> "Information" on the other hand, is really a verb. Information is
> something that data DOES. If data is "informative", then it becomes
> information (or if you like, it participates in a process of
> information). It informs. Hence data which is not transmitted is not
> information.
>
> So drawing a distinction between them on the basis of them being
> "different things" is mistaken (a "category mistake").
Let me see... the word "information" is really a verb, and therefore
treating it as a noun is a "category mistake"?
When will you publish your own version of the English language?
Boniface
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:51:50 -0500
From: "Boniface Lau" <boniface_lau at compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: [Sigia-l] Serious Discussion of IA Research?
To: "'sigia l'" <sigia-l at asis.org>
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> From: Dwayne King
>
> On Nov 29, 2004, at 6:08 PM, Boniface Lau wrote:
> >
> > So, the architecture of a relational database is what you would
> > call an Information Architecture?
> >
>
[...]
> but in my opinion a relation schema is most definitely part of
> Information Architecture,
What else is in that Information Architecture?
Boniface
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:34:14 -0800
From: Dwayne King <dking at pinpointlogic.com>
Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] Serious Discussion of IA Research?
To: 'sigia l' <sigia-l at asis.org>
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>>
> [...]
>> but in my opinion a relation schema is most definitely part of
>> Information Architecture,
>
> What else is in that Information Architecture?
>
Not sure I follow the question. It's my belief that a database schema
is an artifact of information architecture. Are you asking what other
artifacts would exist?
Dwayne
www.pinpointlogic.com
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