[Sigia-l] Visual Balance vs. Left Leaning Layouts

[Dave Collins]

2 options here:


1] Brett, I think I can safely say it wasn't an attack upon you personally.
Perhaps you could not take it personally. Perhaps you could share your
professional opinion with us.

or

2] Those designers, always the hotheads. Tee hee.



Dave Collins
User Interface Design
Phoenix Interactive
4th floor, 137 Dundas St,
London ON, N6A 1E9
V: 519.679.2913 x292
F: 519.679.6773
E: dcollins at phoenix-interactive.com


-----Original Message-----
From: brett [mailto:brett at luxaco.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:24 PM
To: sigia-l at asis.org
Subject: RE: [Sigia-l] Visual Balance vs. Left Leaning Layouts

I am sorry, I usually keep my mouth quiet on most of the stuff that gets 
bantered around this forum, but this is absolutely crap talk here. If it was

left up to you guys, the web would become nothing but a bunch of words in 
boring 2 colum format, such as any jackie collins novel.

the problem i am seeing is that the non-artistic members here want to 
separate the creative side of the web from itself, trying to create an 
industry that the library science people think they can control. Well, to 
open your eyes, maybe you should go to art school and get some education to 
understand the web isn't just the words, it is design and development. they 
all interact with each other and any good project will have all those 
considerations, and if you think one exists without the other then you 
really don't know what your talking about.

If you think that slamming design is giving you a feeling of superiorty then

you should think again, there is a great many people who have been in the 
web business well before the onslaught of all the IA want-a-bees and they 
know what doing good work is and find that all this toting by some of the 
memebers of this group to be quite rediculous.

I do appologize to those I may offend, and this may not even make it to the 
list, but enough is enough. I wonder if half of you ever really worked on a 
good project, or a project at all? If you had, you would have a better sense

of what is involved in doing good work.

Brett Taylor

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:35:46 -0500, Dave Collins wrote
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leslie Carter [mailto:lcarter3 at cox.net] 
> 
> I have to agree with you Dave, good rationale.  I wish I could find some
> research or pithy phrase to convince the artsy people what we 
> believe, but what you say makes good sense.
> 
> Are the artsy-types just looking to use jello* format as opposed to ice*
> format? Or do they really want to move all the components around in 
relation
> to each other so they look pretty?
> 
> Ice vs. jello is not really a big deal, IMO. It just means the left-
> edge of the effective web page is not the left edge of the browser,
>  but it's all still aligned to an edge.
> 
> The real usable web page is liquid*, BTW. The creatives will hate 
> that. It tends to preclude much of the cool stuff they can do in 
> favour of flexibility in layout. On the plus side, it's of huge 
> benefit to the user
> (and that's just *crazy* talk) Both she who has a 1,000,000x1,000,
> 000 rez and she who has 100x100 rez will benefit.
> 
> *Ice/jello/liquid
> Ice - object stays fixed, regardless of container it's placed in 
> (web page is left-aligned regardless of browser rez) Jello - object 
> will move within container, but stays fixed in shape (web page re-
> aligns to centre as per browser rez, but stays fixed in size) Liquid 
> - object will alter its shape to fit container it's placed in (web 
> page flows to fit brower rez)
> 
> If you're looking for a convincing argument, play up the scanning 
> aspect of web page reading. Get them thinking about how users 
> actually use the page, not just how the screen grab looks on the 
> corporate port folio page. (what user steps back and admires the 
> page from six feet away?)
> 
> Usability is 50% politics. Convince your boss that your job is to champion
> the user, which is why all other creation and development 
> departments should fall under your jurisdiction.
> 
> Dave Collins
> User Interface Design
> Phoenix Interactive
> 4th floor, 137 Dundas St,
> London ON, N6A 1E9
> V: 519.679.2913 x292
> F: 519.679.6773
> E: dcollins at phoenix-interactive.com
> 
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