[Sigia-l] Google vs. Knowledge Management

Fri Jan 31 20:24:07 EST 2003

Hi Ziya,

Ziya wrote:

> As is the notion that handcrafted categorization can possibly scale.

Absolutely.

>Since the Net is here to stay and the vast majority of people (at least
in
>developed countries) are exposed to it, you reckon the future of
>civilization is doomed?
..... bla blab la
>Why is Google so threatening to some people?

Let me tell you where I come from. I'm 30 and I'm a IT professional that
worked to provide solutions using web based technologies. As an example
long before  Hotmail existed (in internet time, 1989-90) and similar web
mail tools I already had built a web mail application using the mozzilla
browser version 0.* and presented it as a project in the university.
When Vignette started working with CNET I was already making CMS
solutions for my clients in Portugal. In fact when CNET opened the
"doors" one week afterwards I was navigating on their site with my
mozzila browser installed in slackware linux (76 floppy disks and 16 mgs
of memory). It was not long ago 14 years? 

I've joined the list to learn and share ideas not be called a paranoid
dinosaur that fears extinction in face of the great comet named Google
that will destroy all concepts around IA. Specially when ironically I'm
trying to learn what IA is all about.

So the feeling of threat around innovation (both in business terms and
research and education and sociologically etc etc) is something that I
have never experienced.

But nevertheless a thing that always annoyed me is watching people
vomiting meaningless words only to shed their own fears in face of their
own lack of perceptiveness (or insight) about what their fellow
colleagues are saying. 

>So information has an innate ability to want to be shared?

Even trying to ridicule other's out of no reason just exposes even
further their own inability to communicate and share ideas. According to
you it seams that in this case who can't see how right you are it must
be out of fear or something very similar, that would not have a thing to
do with the fact that might be an intelligent human being in the other
side of the wire that after all it might have some good points to throw
in. (I'm not saying that I have, I'm just exposing my own doupts)

Now don't get me wrong Ziya, I agree with you that Google technology is
indeed disruptive within the scope of search engines. We really need to
understand how far it can go because as I've said a lot of things I was
not able to find with Google I've found with other tools on the web. You
may argue this fact is due because of Google own physical limitations,
so the solution would be "give the system space it will do its job
better then you ever dreamed".

For the sake of speculation (as it seams to be a rule) let's suppose
that the only face of the Web was a Google (the only needed web site to
find information). Everything else on the web was just made of documents
stored in files (images, audio, books etc etc). All other sites did not
had a web interface (such damn thing would have categories in it, so one
could accuse the owner of ineffectiveness or something even worst like
tyranny bla bla). 

Every time I connect to the web, there was Google ("may I help you
sir?"). 

Of course there would be forums, real time chat, virtual meetings, video
on demand. But the only needed form of browsing was provided by Google.
(hyperlinks did not make any sense in docs because after all Google was
able to locate everything by name).

I must say I don't want a net like this. A net like this would be so
ineffective in so many ways not to mention dull that is hard for me to
even start (I believe you can do that by yourself). 

Ha! Unfortunately Google would not work in this environment (could he?)

I wrote:

> Deep knowledgeable articles are almost never found through a Google 
> search IMO.

I must admit that what I've written is indeed too strong. It seams
almost that I'm advertising not to use Google. Ou de contraire I think
its fab.

Best regards

Nuno Lopes

PS: Probably I'm over reacting, but people can only be politically
correct t'ill some point.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: sexta-feira, 31 de Janeiro de 2003 18:26
To: sigia-l at asis.org
Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] Google vs. Knowledge Management

"Nuno Lopes" wrote:

> Whether Google type searching will eventually surpass the need of
> specialized (subject based) semantic nets is mere speculation at the
> moment IMO.

As is the notion that handcrafted categorization can possibly scale.

>> Nail. Hammer. Direct hit --> This is the ultimate objective: end the
>> tyranny of rigid categorization by the end user.
> 
> I believe that people have a short memory on history.

Yep, and some people just live in it.

> Sometimes people forget that information exist to be shared...

So information has an innate ability to want to be shared?

> I'm happy that my fundamental patterns of thought were not
> provided by the Web, but from schools and libraries that were more
> resilient to fashion.

Since the Net is here to stay and the vast majority of people (at least
in
developed countries) are exposed to it, you reckon the future of
civilization is doomed?

> Google stimulates fashion.

So have books, pamphlets, TV, songs, movies, etc. You think we should
just
ban all 'popular' media?

> Deep knowledgeable articles are almost never found through a Google
search
> IMO. 

Wow. This warrants repeating.

> Deep knowledgeable articles are almost never found through a Google
search
> IMO.

And may be another time, just to be sure it's indexed by Google for
posterity. :-)

> Deep knowledgeable articles are almost never found through a Google
search
> IMO.

Why is Google so threatening to some people?

Best,

Ziya

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