[Sigia-l] Form Usability - Search & Cancel location

[Joe 10 Enterprises]

Hmmm, truth be told I was referring to Mac UI, with the "Save" btn to 
the right of the "Cancel" btn. (in the case of "Save As..." anyway.

The windows stacked approach is interesting... but I can never get 
over its apparent associating the "Save" btn with "File Name" and the 
"Cancel" btn with "Save as type".

TabOrder and adherence to guidelines should help. People do have to 
take some responsibility for reading what they click. There's no 
application in the world which insulates the user from not saving 
changes... Is there one of us who hasn't hit Command-S when we were 
desperately reaching for Command-Z :)

Yes, the Mac published "UI style guide" is mandatory read (or at 
least look at the pictures).

/Joe

At 10:05 AM -0700 6/25/02, Hilker, Cindy wrote:
>I agree that tab order is a problem --, with "Cancel" on the left we have
>seen too many users fill out a form and hit the Enter key, only to lose all
>their work.
>
>We would prefer to have the Cancel | Submit layout, but we want the action
>of pressing the Enter key to mean "Submit".  Can someone explain how to make
>this work?
>
>What we have done is put "Submit" on top of "Cancel".  Which to Joe 10's
>point is what you see in Windows apps when you select File | Save As...
>
>Cindy
>
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>Cynthia M. Hilker
>Business Requirements Analyst
>DealTrack, a Homestore company
>Cindy.Hilker at DealTrack.com
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kinney, Matt [mailto:mkinney at ettaingroup.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 8:28 AM
>To: sigia-l at asis.org
>Subject: RE: [Sigia-l] Form Usability - Search & Cancel location
>
>
>The only issue with having the "Next" or "Submit" button to the right of
>"Cancel" or "Previous" to me is tab order.  If a user is tabbing through a
>form, they can cancel or clear out the information they entered fairly
>easily.  Thoughts?
>
>
>Matt Kinney
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Combs [mailto:mike_combs at yahoo.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:19 AM
>To: Steph; sigia-l at asis.org
>Subject: Re: [Sigia-l] Form Usability - Search & Cancel location
>
>
>I'd agree with you.  I always put the button that will take a user forward
>in the process on the right side of the button grouping.  Conversely any
>button that will halt progress, or take a user back would be on the left
>side.
>
>I've watched people in usability labs and they favor moving the mouse to
>the lower right.  I have no science to back up my claims, just
>observations of users.
>
>
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