[Sigcr-l] Sending message again

[Andrew Grove]

Hello everyone,

Theresa Andersen, at UTS in Sydney, has expressed interest in something that might fit.  I don't know how well because I might be confusing it with something she presented last year.  So . . . fyi - I forwarded this thread to her.

Thanks,
Andrew

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Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 8:40 AM
To: Barbara Kwasnik
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Subject: Re: [Sigcr-l] Sending message again

Dear Barbara,

Thanks for forwarding my email to the group. I should have provided
more background information. Here it is:

The full title of the NISO standard is: ANSI/NISO Z39.19-2005
Guidelines for the Construction, Format, and Management of Monolingual
Controlled Vocabularies.

The British standard BS 8723 Structured Vocabularies for Information
Retrieval - Guide will replace ISO 2788-1986  Guidelines for the
establishment and development of monolingual thesauri.

As you can see, both now cover more than thesauri.

SKOS: Simple Knowledge Organisation System
OWL: Web Ontology Language
Both are W3C specifications.

Marcia

----- Original Message -----
From: Barbara Kwasnik <Bkwasnik at syr.edu>
Date: Sunday, January 14, 2007 10:59 am
Subject: [Sigcr-l] Fwd: Re:  Sending message again
To: sigcr-l at asis.org
Cc: mzeng at kent.edu

> Hello everyone,
> Please note the email below from Marcia Zeng. Speaking for myself
> I think this is a great topic and that SIG/CR sponsoring it is a
> natural. Is Z39.19 the standard for thesauri, Marcia? It would
> also be great if someone could also address the issues in the
> indexing standards.
>
> I'll wait until Wednesday for further comments, OK? and then in
> the interests of time I'll use my interim chair prerogative to say
> "go ahead" with SIG/CR co-sponsorship (if nobody objects).
>
> >>> <mzeng at kent.edu> 1/13/2007 4:38 PM >>>
> Dear Barbara,
> The Standards Committee is preparing a proposal for a standards
> update
> session at ASIST conference in 2007.  We would like to focus on
> the
> standards related
> to knowledge organization systems, including NISO Z39.19 and the
> similar British standard, also we would like to introduce again
> W3C's
> SKOS and OWL.
>
> If SIG-CR would like to co-sponsor this session, it will be great.
> We would appreciate any suggestions and ideas for the contents of
> the
> session.
>
> Marcia Zeng
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Barbara Kwasnik <Bkwasnik at syr.edu>
> Date: Saturday, January 13, 2007 3:12 pm
> Subject: [Sigcr-l] Sending message again
> To: sigcr-l at asis.org
>
> > Hi everyone, apparently, ASIST listservs don't allow
> attachments,
> > so here's my message again, cut and pasted.
> >
> > Hello fellow SIG members,
> >
> > The deadline for submitting our SIG-session proposals is fast
> > approaching (jan. 21). I'm leaving for a month's stay in Canada
> > next Friday (19th), and Kathryn has agreed to help out with the
> > submission details. So, we have a few days to get our act
> > together, so to speak. Please, see the attached summary of
> what's
> > flowed in so far. If I've missed someone, sorry, and please just
> > pipe up, but at this point, so close to the deadline, please
> make
> > your idea a fairly firm one that could eventually be acted on as
> a
> > submission with SIG/CR sponsorship.
> >
> > So far we have one proposal that is well-worked out. It's being
> > spearheaded by Mark Rosso (details in attachment) and is a panel
> > whose aim is to discuss the current state of genre research,
> > including the creation of a classification of digital genres,
> and
> > other issues near and dear to SIG/CR hearts. In addtion the
> notion
> > of genre fits this year's theme. So, if nobody objects I will
> work
> > with Mark on getting htis submission ready and we'll send it
> with
> > SIG/CR sponsorship, OK?
> >
> > The other ideas are summarized as they came in but would need to
> > be formally proposed and someone will need to take "ownership".
> If
> > you're interested in submitting another idea besides the ones
> I've
> > included in the attachment, please check the ASIST website to
> see
> > the panel submission forms so you know what you have to include.
> > Then post your idea to this forum and we'll take it from there.
> >
> > Anyone can propose a panel. Basically, you need a short
> > description, who will organize and moderate it, the format, and
> > some commitments from speakers with their topics (one or two
> will
> > do). This is not a hard-and-fast commitment on the speakers'
> part,
> > since these proposals first have to get accepted, but your
> > speakers or participants shoudl be willing to be involved "in
> > principle."
> > Barbara
> >
> > And here's what was in the attachment:
> >
> > IDEAS FOR PANELS SPONSORED OR CO-SPONSORED BY SIG-CR
> > ASIST- 2007
> > DEADLINE, Jan. 21, 2007
> >
> > I can submit these panel proposals if someone is willing to take
> > "ownership" for writing them up in the format needed. Here's
> what
> > we have so far.
> >
> > GOOD to GO (almost):
> > This panel was submitted by Mark Rosso previously to another
> > conference but did not get accepted because of its interactive
> > panel format (which I think ASIST welcomes). He is in the
> process
> > of reworking the wording slightly to make it fit the conference
> > theme.
> >
> > Towards the Use of Genre to Improve Search in Digital Libraries:
> > Where Do We Go from Here?
> > Organizer: Mark A. Rosso
> > Moderator: Stephanie W. Haas
> > Panelists: Andrew Dillon, Barbara H. Kwasnik, Mark A. Rosso
> > Marina Santini, Elaine Toms
> > As the collection sizes of digital libraries grow, access to
> > materials through keyword-based searches becomes more
> problematic.
> > Research over the past ten years has investigated several
> aspects
> > of using digital genre for improving information
> > retrieval. Work has included proposals for what constitutes a
> > digital genre, the automatic and manual classification of
> > documents by genre, users' ability to recognize the shape of
> > digital documents, the solicitation of users' genre terms for
> > digital documents (e.g., personal homepages or blogs), and
> users'
> > ability to recognize and agree on the genre of digital
> documents.
> > Despite the efforts put forth in this area, no one has been able
> > to show that retrieval by genre can be effectively implemented.
> > Why not? What directions should research take to bring this
> > seemingly intuitive concept to a working reality?
> > The panel brings together some of the researchers who are
> > investigating the use of digital genre in retrieval. The goals
> of
> > the session are first to establish an understanding of what we
> > know about genre, and then to discuss what the remaining
> questions
> > are and how we can find answers. Between the panelists' ideas
> and
> > contributions from the audience, we hope to develop a research
> > agenda for the future.
> > Part one of the session will review the "state of the art" in
> > digital genre research: what do we know so far, what can we and
> > others in the field agree on? Questions in this segment will
> include:> *   How do users perceive the genre of digital documents?
> > *   How do users think about genre in the search process?
> > *   What are the known constraints and obstacles specific to
> > automatic classification by genre?
> > *   What inferences can we draw from the answers to these
> questions
> > regarding how a viable genre classification should be developed?
> > *   What research methods have been informative?
> > Part two will focus on "Where do we go from here?" We will
> discuss
> > the open questions, areas of uncertainty, and topics on which we
> > disagree. Issues will include:
> > *   Is genre too subjective a concept to be useful at all?
> > *   Can we really ever separate genre from topic? Does it matter
> if
> > we can't?
> > *   How should document classification be done: automatically? By
> > end-users?  By catalogers? By authors?
> > *   How should we approach the problems of multiple genres per
> > document, multiple documents per genre occurrence?
> > *   Where in the search process should genre be introduced, and
> how
> > should people use it?
> > *   What types of interfaces might best leverage this genre
> metadata?
> > *   Can genre be effective for the general webpage search problem,
> > or is it only feasible for certain collections, user
> communities,
> > and/or tasks?
> > *   Will adding genre to search ever be cost-effective?
> > *   How can we identify useful and usable genres?
> > Through discussion among the panelists and members of the
> > audience, we hope to cast some light on the dimensions of these
> > questions, and establish the focus of genre research in the
> > future. The end result will ideally be a clearer sense of what
> the
> > next important steps in genre research for digital libraries
> > should be.
> >
> >
> >
> > NOT FULLY WORKED OUT IDEAS:
> >
> > 1.  From Kathryn La Barre, who is also working with SIG/HFIS:
> >
> > HFIS interest is quite keen in another reprise of the FRBR
> panel,
> > as is interest in full engagement in the current debates that
> were
> > set off by the recent changes at Library of Congress, the
> planned
> > bibliographic summit at ALA this summer and the possibilities
> > currently being discussed of several pre-summit gatherings in
> the
> > coming months, that are being planned in order to formulate
> > responses to these changes and their broader implications within
> > the LIS community.
> >
> > I would very much like to see CR and HFIS play a significant
> role
> > in the discussions at these upcoming gatherings. In the context
> of
> > panels for the upcoming annual meeting of ASIST, we might also
> > want to consider planning a panel or two in order to address
> these
> > developments. The January deadline comes long before any of the
> > planned meetings, but I think we could draft an abstract or two
> > that would be sufficiently general to allow the incorporation of
> > the developments that occur post-January to engage the interest
> of
> > ASIST.
> >
> > 2.  From Andrew Grove: Since I will edit the conference
> proceedings
> > again for '07, I haven't time to do much more than suggest an
> idea
> > or two:
> > a.  1. folksonomies as seeds for indexing languages, categories
> and
> > categorization, classification, thesauri, and other taxonomic
> > structures.  I have some ideas but no time to really develop
> them.
> > Of course, at the speed things happen in "cyberspace", all will
> > be old news by October '07.
> > b.  2.  walking the fine line between order and chaos -
> > springboarding off the excellent panel on uncertainty at this
> > year's conference.  What is the role of classification at the
> > edges of knowledge?  How do we, or do we, classify unknown or
> > emerging knowledge?  How about multiple "private"
> classifications?
> > How about the intersection of new and private - speaking of
> > chaos...?  This is something I deal with everyday, it's a very
> > real (and sometimes painful) issue.  Again, many ideas but
> little
> > time to formally develop them.
> > c.  Corinne Jorgensen follows up: I like Andrew's two ideas as
> they
> > seem to follow on the social tagging aspects. It seems that many
> > commercial ontologies are closer to classification in everyday
> > life, or to the classification emerging from the data (something
> > we are seeing happening in the Morphbank project - a large
> > biological image database, even though the organizational schema
> > follows traditional taxonomy, participants create their own
> > groups, and it is interesting to see what emerges as organizing
> > elements from those).
> > d.         (Note from Barbara: Corinne and Andrew, do you want
> to
> > take the lead on either of these two ideas?)
> > 3.  Joseph Busch had mentioned a reprise of last year's session
> on
> > "classification in everyday work life" which was very
> successful.
> > Joseph, will you submitting a proposal for that session again?
> I'd
> > be happy to participate again.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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